What is the definition of an Artisan?

CHSeifert I agree with your comments, someone said (2 points for correct attribution) that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.  ...

Wasn't that Elizabeth Taylor?

Sorry, Google says it was Charles Caleb Colton (1780–1832) an English cleric, writer and collector, well known for his eccentricity.

I honestly had no clue...I was guessing...lol

I prefer the title "Mad Scientist", personally.  

^ win.

I prefer the title "Mad Scientist", personally.  

Thats not surprising, I mean seriously, who wouldn't?  Its so much better than "mildly disturbed Scientist" .

I prefer the title "Mad Scientist", personally.  

Wasn't that Elizabeth Taylor?

Sorry, Google says it was Charles Caleb Colton (1780–1832) an English cleric, writer and collector, well known for his eccentricity.

I honestly had no clue...I was guessing...lol

I had no clue either so, enter google - destroyer of debates, disagreements and differences of opinion on baseball stats. People used to debate/argue passionately for hours, days or weeks over points of trivia. Now the discussion is instantly curtailed by Google on the ubiquitous smartphone. Progress.

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Exactly Sir. It is I that usually walks the wrong way around the fountain. A seemly harmless act that incites a riot.

Two points for knowing your film history!

People constantly call Martin de Candre artisanal. They have a museum store, Paris store, B&B, and factory. How many employees?

So I looked at Le Pere Lucien, concerning the future http://lejournaldeleco.fr/le-pere-lucien...-du-monde/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/Wet_Shavers/com...e_artisan/

"I am still growing, with more development ideas. I plan to open an online store this summer to maintain this closeness with my clients. For now, I operate lean. I have several options: hire or outsource a part of my production."


Can he be an artisan and outsource production?

And from http://www.zoominfo.com, the UK companies

Czech & Speake

10 – 20 employees 18 verfied employees, none in production, $1 - $5M revenue

GFT  10 - 20 employees $2.4M

T&H 75 empl $17.5m

Dr Harris 10 - 20 empl, $2.4M  

I didn't know T&H was so big and GFT so small.  I suspect MdC is just as large as GFT, C&S, and DR Harris

People constantly call Martin de Candre artisanal. They have a museum store, Paris store, B&B, and factory. How many employees?

So I looked at Le Pere Lucien, concerning the future http://lejournaldeleco.fr/le-pere-lucien...-du-monde/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/Wet_Shavers/com...e_artisan/

"I am still growing, with more development ideas. I plan to open an online store this summer to maintain this closeness with my clients. For now, I operate lean. I have several options: hire or outsource a part of my production."


Can he be an artisan and outsource production?

And from http://www.zoominfo.com, the UK companies

Czech & Speake

10 – 20 employees 18 verfied employees, none in production, $1 - $5M revenue

GFT  10 - 20 employees $2.4M

T&H 75 empl $17.5m

Dr Harris 10 - 20 empl, $2.4M  

I didn't know T&H was so big and GFT so small.  I suspect MdC is just as large as GFT, C&S, and DR Harris

As long as MDC follows their own home made recipe, they are artisans and in fact soap making artists !

LPL is still a one man operation. I email Cyril directly when I buy his great soaps.

Creighton and another factory makes all the creams for Geo F Trumper, Truefitt & Hill, Taylor Of Old Bond Str and DR Harris

I would consider Creighton to be an artist cream maker. No matter the fact that it's made at a huge factory place. Creighton also makes St. James cream and a lot of other creams. This is done based on their own old base cream recipes, so they are indeed cream artists in my world.

Very few of the older more well known companies have anything to do with production of their own brand soap and cream. They outsource it to proper artists that, because they are artists within their field, now make their creams at large factories and production plants.

They are still artists within their field.

As long as MDC follows their own home made recipe, they are artisans and in fact soap making artists !

LPL is still a one man operation. I email Cyril directly when I buy his great soaps.

So today LPL is one person. They day he outsources, as indicated, its over. He will be no different than GFT

GFT, T&H, etc already outsource. LPL is one step away.

MdC is making their own stuff in their own factory. That makes them artisans. Yes, true.

But that makes GFT, T&H, DR Harris, etc employees accountants, book keepers, salesmen, and manager, If LPL outsources then the same will be true.

So there seems to be the difference. The British firms are now middle men. MdC has yet to add the middle man.

Now here is where it gets more confusing. In this post SV is called non-artisan http://damnfineshave.com/thread-let-s-ma...3#pid49073

Yet they make their own soap. Why aren't they aren't they artisan? Just like MdC? http://www.saponificiovaresino.com/it/en...ldron-soap. They are not like GFT or T&H. And now they make their own shaving brushes http://www.saponificiovaresino.com/shop/...cts_id=141 and call them artisanal.

....So it looks like my premonition from last week came true. A company called Stork from Belarus has begun producing razor handles that are a knockoff of Wolfman handles, and people on another forum are starting to flip out about it. I say that anyone who has a problem with these handles better not own a soap "inspired by" anyone else, lest they be labeled a hypocrite....

....So it looks like my premonition from last week came true. A company called Stork from Belarus has begun producing razor handles that are a knockoff of Wolfman handles, and people on another forum are starting to flip out about it. I say that anyone who has a problem with these handles better not own a soap "inspired by" anyone else, lest they be labeled a hypocrite....

Wow, are these actually knockoffs? Do they simply look like Wolfman handles or are they marketing them as cheapo versions?