The problem with Classic Shaving and the Cobra razors

This post is regarding the BST, and not the original topic. I simply have no interest in a $300 razor I need to jump through hoops to acquire. Id rather shave. Anyhoo...

As for the BST...it takes all kinds of people to make this world work. Some people think of money first. Other people think of utility. Still others just want to see something get loved and used. As long as rules are not broken, each person should feel free to post in the BST.

I, personally, dont like to see admonishing of sellers in the open BST. In many cases, prices are subjective. Is it out of production or unobtanium? Is it well customized? Is it worth the asking price to the buyer? These will always subjectively alter the prices asked. It either sells or it doesnt.

Price gouging for unobtanium is bad form...but within the rules. Likewise, lowballing is bad form...but within the rules. At the end of the day, if a seller leaves a bad taste in your mouth due to "legal" gouging, dont buy from them. If a buyer lowballs you, and you feel insulted...tell them to pound sand, then offer it for sale even lower but refuse to sell it to them...im a jerk like that...

At the end of the day, the limited rules here provide for a fantastic and dynamic forum. There are all kinds here, and not everyone is going to appreciate everyone else. Thats life, folks. Get over it. And I mean that with the utmost respect. Believe me...there are plenty of occasions wherein I bite my tongue until I taste blood, walk away from the forum, and come back later when ve had a chance to settle my temper. It happens. To all of us.

We will never all be happy everything all the time. Utopia is a myth and altruism does not exist. Thats the way of the world...


Ill get off my soapbox now, before someone knocks me down a peg

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This post is regarding the BST, and not the original topic. I simply have no interest in a $300 razor I need to jump through hoops to acquire. Id rather shave. Anyhoo...

As for the BST...it takes all kinds of people to make this world work. Some people think of money first. Other people think of utility. Still others just want to see something get loved and used. As long as rules are not broken, each person should feel free to post in the BST.

I, personally, dont like to see admonishing of sellers in the open BST. In many cases, prices are subjective. Is it out of production or unobtanium? Is it well customized? Is it worth the asking price to the buyer? These will always subjectively alter the prices asked. It either sells or it doesnt.

Price gouging for unobtanium is bad form...but within the rules. Likewise, lowballing is bad form...but within the rules. At the end of the day, if a seller leaves a bad taste in your mouth due to "legal" gouging, dont buy from them. If a buyer lowballs you, and you feel insulted...tell them to pound sand, then offer it for sale even lower but refuse to sell it to them...im a jerk like that...

At the end of the day, the limited rules here provide for a fantastic and dynamic forum. There are all kinds here, and not everyone is going to appreciate everyone else. Thats life, folks. Get over it. And I mean that with the utmost respect. Believe me...there are plenty of occasions wherein I bite my tongue until I taste blood, walk away from the forum, and come back later when ve had a chance to settle my temper. It happens. To all of us.

We will never all be happy everything all the time. Utopia is a myth and altruism does not exist. Thats the way of the world...


Ill get off my soapbox now, before someone knocks me down a peg

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I must try this some time in the future.....

back to the topic,
Due to the fact I live in India, I face a lot of time zone issues for releases,
I admire the system that Wolfman and Wolf whiskers have set, for that matter even Randall Made Knives, atleast I know where I stand, with classic's Cobras I just could not buy one, never could be online at 4 or 5 am and while there is an alert system, it has not been very reliable.
I bought a new King cobra from a member at TSN for $290 with an additional 20 blade pack and a new cobra classic from another member who read about my problem on the forum and in a gentlemanly act offered it to me for nothing more than the cost of the razor and actual shipping, no paypal or handling charges etc etc,
there are different kinds of sellers on all forums but I atleast now have these razors and can enjoy my hobby
also I am sure a little system as simple as a queue does help,
regards from sunny Bombay
raj k

Hi Raj, what do you think of the razors? Are they worth the trouble you had to go to to acquire them? Its apparent that no matter what part of the world we live in, we all face similar challenges. Its good to be human isn't it, at least when one considers the alternatives.
Mark

Mark hello there,
I usually get my stuff collected and fedexed together from the USA
the KC will reach bombay on the 19th of this month, the classic is still in the mail intra usa so that will probably comein the next lot maybe June end
I will update you on the KC by the end of this month
the last shipment contained OneBlade alumigoose and Wolfman and they are all must haves in my opinion
the alumigoose with a Feather super pro is the father of R41 in aggressiveness
-raj k

As much as I agree with the OP, I find the thread interesting.  I brought that up several months ago, about how people were abusing the BST by asking ridiculous prices that were not in the best interest of the community.

I was told by the leadership in this site to pretty much mind my own and pound sand.  Well, there you have it!  Can't have it both ways folks!  

Now feel free to ban me if you wish!

Except that's NOT what I said to you when you asked.  I told you that no rules were being broken (which they weren't).

I think a majority of the mod team - myself included - have better things to do with our time than playing bst police because someone MIGHT make a profit on a bst item they have up.  If someone feels the price isn't in line with the market value, then don't buy the item.  

This is the one of the reasons we keep the bst archive around so people can help gauge the market.

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And that's why I stay away from it and don't say a thing anymore. I also don't have the time to worry about nonsense.

I agree, you guys should not have to worry about things like this.

back to the topic,
Due to the fact I live in India, I face a lot of time zone issues for releases,
I admire the system that Wolfman and Wolf whiskers have set, for that matter even Randall Made Knives, atleast I know where I stand, with classic's Cobras I just could not buy one, never could be online at 4 or 5 am and while there is an alert system, it has not been very reliable.
I bought a new King cobra from a member at TSN for $290 with an additional 20 blade pack and a new cobra classic from another member who read about my problem on the forum and in a gentlemanly act offered it to me for nothing more than the cost of the razor and actual shipping, no paypal or handling charges etc etc,
there are different kinds of sellers on all forums but I atleast now have these razors and can enjoy my hobby
also I am sure a little system as simple as a queue does help,
regards from sunny Bombay
raj k

Hi Raj, what do you think of the razors?  Are they worth the trouble you had to go to to acquire them?  Its apparent that no matter what part of the world we live in, we all face similar challenges.  Its good to be human isn't it, at least when one considers the alternatives.
Mark

Mark hello there,
I usually get my stuff collected and fedexed together from the USA
the KC will reach bombay on the 19th of this month, the classic is still in the mail intra usa so that will probably comein the next lot maybe June end
I will update you on the KC by the end of this month
the last shipment contained OneBlade alumigoose and Wolfman and they are all must haves in my opinion
the alumigoose with a Feather super pro is the father of R41 in aggressiveness
-raj k

Raj, thats very interesting, it takes about the same time for things to get to you from USA as it does for things to arrive here (western Canada) from the UK. Thats all fine, there is no hurry and it will arrive eventually. Its like shaving, if you rush you get cut so why rush. I've had some vintage razors refinished by Chris at RazorPlate.com and the process takes anywhere from 3 to 6 months - its worth the wait as his work is excellent. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on your newest razors once they arrive.
Cheers,
Mark

As much as I agree with the OP, I find the thread interesting.  I brought that up several months ago, about how people were abusing the BST by asking ridiculous prices that were not in the best interest of the community.

I was told by the leadership in this site to pretty much mind my own and pound sand.  Well, there you have it!  Can't have it both ways folks!  

Now feel free to ban me if you wish!

No one here is asking to have it both ways. People can sell these for whatever they want. My issue here is with how few of these Classic Shaving makes and sells, which is why they get sold for 2x MSRP. Please pay attention to what is being said.

I know I'll be going against the chorus of harumphs on this topic but I have no problem with people selling their razors for whatever price someone is willing to pay.

It is not the eBay sellers I have an issue with here, it is Classic Shaving.

I can't imagine that Classic Shaving doesn't  want to sell as many as possible.  

I have to differ with you here. Anyone who has worked in manufacturing can tell you, aside from the initial R&D, the most expensive part of the manufacturing process time wise is setting up the production run. Whether you are making one item or 500, the same amount of time goes in to setup and take down. The very fact that these razors sell out in minutes is proof that they are either not running with any normal manufacturing process at all (just the setup will cost them close to a grand) so there would be zero profit for them in only making a couple at a time. The more likely thought is that they do make them in bulk and then spread out sales over the course of a year or two.

The Cobra Classic is made from a mold, and surprisingly molds are fragile. The less they are popped on and off the press / injector system the better.

As much as I agree with the OP, I find the thread interesting.  I brought that up several months ago, about how people were abusing the BST by asking ridiculous prices that were not in the best interest of the community.

I was told by the leadership in this site to pretty much mind my own and pound sand.  Well, there you have it!  Can't have it both ways folks!  

Now feel free to ban me if you wish!

No one here is asking to have it both ways.  People can sell these for whatever they want.  My issue here is with how few of these Classic Shaving makes and sells, which is why they get sold for 2x MSRP.  Please pay attention to what is being said.

I get your point sir. I guess is a none issue to me since I had to wait a couple of years to buy mine from CS.

If people want to be suckers and pay stupid prices because they must have it now, oh well.

As much as I agree with the OP, I find the thread interesting.  I brought that up several months ago, about how people were abusing the BST by asking ridiculous prices that were not in the best interest of the community.

I was told by the leadership in this site to pretty much mind my own and pound sand.  Well, there you have it!  Can't have it both ways folks!  

Now feel free to ban me if you wish!

No one here is asking to have it both ways.  People can sell these for whatever they want.  My issue here is with how few of these Classic Shaving makes and sells, which is why they get sold for 2x MSRP.  Please pay attention to what is being said.

I get your point sir.  I guess is a none issue to me since I had to wait a couple of years to buy mine from CS.  

If people want to be suckers and pay stupid prices because they must have it now, oh well.

After viewing several of your posts in the past, I know you have a healthy collection of Wolfman razors. I also understand that James takes care of return customers ahead of new customers, resulting in many still not being able to get on the waitlist. If someone wants to purchase a Wolfman razor, instead of waiting what could be years, they might be willing to pay a bit extra and get one now. How dare you sit there and refer to these people as suckers when you are part of the problem.

I don't know all fair prices but I would certainly appreciate it when someone more knowledgeable gives me a heads up that I may be paying too much for an item. I could go through with the deal or not at least I am informed.

I know I could do my research, but we do have a community here, should we all just ignore when we know better? A small heads up that an item is either over priced or being sold elsewhere at a much cheaper price would surely be appreciated.

Nothing wrong with profits, but I don't like vultures and this kind of business practices of artificially limiting your stuff opens a lot of doors for these said vultures. (Not sure if they are artificially limiting, but it sure sounds like it to me)

I understand it's all within the rules, but in my personal opinion, I for one would rather be informed by my peers.