Bye Bye Gillette - I didn't know you considered me toxic.

I am not big on most ads as they demean the viewer.  (Does anyone here remember the “Please don’t squeeze the Charmin” commercials?).  This, though, was one of the finest I have seen.  It is thought provoking and, frankly, if one’s masculinity is so fragile as to be offended by this then perhaps he should be using a Gillette Fusion as opposed to a DE, SE, or straight as there is less chance of cutting oneself.

Really Freddy?  Do you really feel it takes a fragile masculinity to be offended by this?  Or is it that my post and perhaps others are the provocative ones, and they offended you?  I only say this because your post here is not characteristic of what I have seen from you, and it is what I would call a rude, cheap shot - a generalization without basis, designed to insult and demean men who think and feel differently from you - men you apparently feel entitled to insult and demean.  

As far as I can see at the moment, we have two ways to go from here Freddy (and by "we", I mean you, me, and the group).  One way is down the toilet.  The other way is to acknowledge our differences and work (very patiently I would guess) to get beyond them, and hopefully to the point where we can concentrate on helping each  other.   I don't mean working to "fix" or persuade each other either.  Real men disagree.  

I'm sorry I offended or upset you Freddy, and as the saying goes, I'll bend over backwards to make things right, but I won't bend over forwards.  I'd rather be your brother than your enemy, and the fact that we feel strongly and differently about this does not change that.  Real men deal with this kind of complexity all the time.  They make peace.  And at the end of the day, real men understand that we are all the same kind of different as each other.  -- All the best to you Freddy.


PS  Newsflash...  This just in:  Real men are all fragile if you poke them in the right places.

Condemning “toxic masculinity” is not the same thing as condemning masculinity, hence the word “toxic,” which pretty much always has a negative connotation.

An example of toxic masculinity would be social pressure for men to not show emotion or seek help for emotional/mental challenges. The result of this can be self-medication (see opioid crisis) and other self-destructive patterns of behavior.

I’m not trying to make a case for the ad, but it seems like people don’t understand the distinction here.

I am not big on most ads as they demean the viewer.  (Does anyone here remember the “Please don’t squeeze the Charmin” commercials?).  This, though, was one of the finest I have seen.  It is thought provoking and, frankly, if one’s masculinity is so fragile as to be offended by this then perhaps he should be using a Gillette Fusion as opposed to a DE, SE, or straight as there is less chance of cutting oneself.

Really Freddy?  Do you really feel it takes a fragile masculinity to be offended by this?  Or is it that my post and perhaps others are the provocative ones, and they offended you?  I only say this because your post here is not characteristic of what I have seen from you, and it is what I would call a rude, cheap shot - a generalization without basis, designed to insult and demean men who think and feel differently from you - men you apparently feel entitled to insult and demean.  

As far as I can see at the moment, we have two ways to go from here Freddy (and by "we", I mean you, me, and the group).  One way is down the toilet.  The other way is to acknowledge our differences and work (very patiently I would guess) to get beyond them, and hopefully to the point where we can concentrate on helping each  other.   I don't mean working to "fix" or persuade each other either.  Real men disagree.  

I'm sorry I offended or upset you Freddy, and as the saying goes, I'll bend over backwards to make things right, but I won't bend over forwards.  I'd rather be your brother than your enemy, and the fact that we feel strongly and differently about this does not change that.  Real men deal with this kind of complexity all the time.  They make peace.  And at the end of the day, real men understand that we are all the same kind of different as each other.  -- All the best to you Freddy.


PS  Newsflash...  This just in:  Real men are all fragile if you poke them in the right places.

I meant no offense to anyone and certainly did not call out anyone by name but, rather, wanted to show another side of the debate. I'm sorry you find my post ruder and more offensive than the posts that were the reason for my response so let's just agree to disagree and move on.

As a shareholder in PG, I think their job is to sell things, make money and give me dividends. Not to be virtue signaling jackasses.

Condemning “toxic masculinity” is not the same thing as condemning masculinity, hence the word “toxic,” which pretty much always has a negative connotation.

An example of toxic masculinity would be social pressure for men to not show emotion or seek help for emotional/mental challenges. The result of this can be self-medication (see opioid crisis) and other self-destructive patterns of behavior.

I’m not trying to make a case for the ad, but it seems like people don’t understand the distinction here.

Unfortunately the term "toxic masculinity" is one of those terms created to divide us further. I don't buy in to this garbage because I am not going to let a company tell me what they think is acceptable behavior or let someone push me into a box and then demonize me because I don't conform to their norms. If you buy in to in to the terminology created by others to divide us then you have lost the battle.

I don't understand why we as a society think that we need a company like Gillette, Nike, or other multinational corporation to tell us how to behave, think, or what we need to do in order to conform to what THEY deem is socially correct. It is almost as if they are saying - be a good little person, follow our rules, and we might let you buy a shirt with our logo on it.

“When everyone thinks something is true, it does not make it anything more than effective marketing.” ― Clifton Hill

I guess I will keep on thinking for myself - despite what Gillette says.

Unfortunately since the past ten years or so our Country is seeing and experiencing some serious political division. As far as I'm concerned Gillette should not be in the Business of teaching anyone right from wrong, whether the message in their ad is correct or not. Its not their Business to be the teacher on how people should live and what to do or not do. I think their Business is to take a gamble by making good products for EVERYONE and making good money from EVERYONE and not gamble on any ad's that can cause anymore division to ANYONE. We have enough of that as is!



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49erShaver

You must realize that the young Madison Ave. advertising types are undoubtedly Left Coast U. grads who have been indoctrinated by PC BS and cherish the "wine & Brie cheese" set. However, Real Men know the Revolution wasn't won with words, but with musketry and one day soon we may very well be called upon to hit the "reset" button.

Regardless of what you think of the ad, don’t be so sure it won’t be profitable.

Per Scott Galloway (High-profile NYU Stern Marketing Professor):

“Woke as a business strategy —
The majority of new wealth creation is being captured by urban dwellers with college degrees (i.e., progressives — see map). As a result, we will see a number of companies become very woke in the next 12-24 months. 70% of high school valedictorians are female; same-sex male couples make on average $60K per year more than straight couples, and college graduates make +$1M more than non-college grads over their lifetime. The people who burned their Nikes in protest used their Discover card to buy their first pair.”

Couldn't agree more with this guys post on the DM:

"Moogee, West Mitten, United States, 3 hours ago

I'm old enough to remember when the average man acknowledged the average woman's grace, culture, and power by respectfully standing when she entered a room, making sure he watched his mouth and was on his best behavior in her presence, tipping his hat and bowing to her, deferring to her wishes, and assisting her with whatever she wanted help with. Now men can call themselves women and compete against them in sports and break their jaws in boxing matches, intrude into their restrooms, rap about women as hoe's and the c-word and worse as entertainment, refuse to commit to them while bedding and impregnating and ditching them, all the while plugging their ears against the screeching feminists, snowflakes, and pu**y hat wearing ¿progressives¿ who have brought all this about. And now the influencers want to emasculate men completely? This is supposed to bring the sexes (however many there supposedly are nowadays) together? Yeah. The progressives¿ idea of utopia? No thanks."

Gentlemen, this thread has moved into politics.  Please keep this civil and avoid politics and crude suggestive language.

Keep in mind that almost all advertisers, especially those big ubiquitous companies, really don't care what we, as individuals, think.  If an advertisement or commercial sells more product, it's good.  If it doesn't, it gets pulled.