Buying & Selling Safely

Was floored today when I saw an account from a member here scottb7862  who sold a super rare LASC BBS-1 razor to another
member League  overseas. For $1,400.

Here's the story as I understood it:

Buyer receives razor and wants to return. They agree on terms. Seller returns the amount received - shipping charges ($1,375)
Seller is annoyed he didn't receive the EXACT amount in Euros back....he says he received 97 Euros less...so is hanging on to the razor 
and not returning. 

The long and short of it is: this buyer has now purchased the world's rarest and most expensive DE razor the BBS-1 for 97 Euros.
To add to the drama, someone else reported that the razor has been seen for sale on eBay in the buyer's country. Hmmm.

I can only imagine how the seller must feel. All I can say is that Paypal does not favour sellers as much as they do
buyers. These are the steps I take to protect myself as seller.

1. No returns under any circumstances unless item is "not as described".

2. I describe items in great detail both in words and date stamped pictures...from all angles.

3. I don't rely only on BST to complete the transaction...there must be an email record using the PayPal registered
email addresses of both parties...so Paypal can refer to emails to ascertain who said what. Paypal does not recognise PMs 
and BST ads that often contain aliases.

4. My emails to buyers contain date stamped pictures of the item and a thorough description of any faults if required. The buyer is then requested
to confirm via email that they accept the description, condition and terms in the email, this is an essential step.

5. After shipping, I follow up with an email that contains tracking details plus pictures of the item being despatched and all postal markings...this is for 
the buyers peace of mind.

By following the steps above, I have NEVER ever had a BST transaction that was less than exemplary. It sounds like a lot of work but it does increase the odds
of a safe and secure transaction exponentially.

Won't check like because there is nothing to like in this post - no offence to Tester28 intended.

This is a damnable scam and League needs be called to account. Admins?? Please escalate this and report it to all other fora and FB IM affinity groups

From Buyer's feedback on the transaction:

I was looking for an original BBS1 razor and Scott sold me a BBS-1 razor head with a tibam copy handle without mentioning it for $1400. After I wrote him, he sent me $97 less than I sent him when I bought the razor. We agreed that I cover the extra shipping costs, but I wanted the exact money back that I sent him when I purchased the razor. I have no problem sending the razor back if I get the money I paid for. I didn't want to have a non-original BBS-1 handle for such a high price.

Sounds like the problem is it had a TiBam handle that did not get disclosed.  For $1400, I'd be pretty smoked too.  No way I'd ship his razor back after shafting me on the handle OR the shipping, in fact, you will return ALL of my money PLUS the cost of shipping back to you.

I'd be interested to see the listing because I swear I saw it listed as a TiBam handle.  I have been, and continue to be wrong, much more than I am right.  Grain of salt.

I'd like to see the pics too.  Curious if I could spot the fake handle.  In any case, there is a validation thread here at DFS.  Had pics been posted there and asked for some extra eyes, I'm 97.625% certain the forgery would have been spotted.

Interesting thread.  Seems like we see something similar every 3 or 4 months.

Sounds like the problem is it had a TiBam handle that did not get disclosed.  For $1400, I'd be pretty smoked too.  No way I'd ship his razor back after shafting me on the handle OR the shipping, in fact, you will return ALL of my money PLUS the cost of shipping back to you.

I'd be interested to see the listing because I swear I saw it listed as a TiBam handle.  I have been, and continue to be wrong, much more than I am right.  Grain of salt.

I'd like to see the pics too.  Curious if I could spot the fake handle.  In any case, there is a validation thread here at DFS.  Had pics been posted there and asked for some extra eyes, I'm 97.625% certain the forgery would have been spotted.

Interesting thread.  Seems like we see something similar every 3 or 4 months.

The entire handle thing is hard to rule on...and messy...unless one sees buyers or sellers pictures. Even that may not be enough because 
what if the seller already has a spare Tibam handle in possession, separate from this transaction. Anything is possible.

With regards to the listing, I will be surprised if one exists...from what I understand, the seller placed a WTB in bst and the buyer
must have responded to it privately.

If this incident were over some trivial merchandise it probably would not have sparked the reaction it did for me but this is quite
a situation.

I understand you Tester, but please tell me why should I pay more than 100€ extra including shipping if I receive a wrong product that I didn't want.
I waited long enough and gave Scott the opportunity to pay back the money that I had sent him over a longer period of time. Scott didn't do this and insulted me.

I understand you Tester, but please tell me why should I pay more than 100€ extra including shipping if I receive a wrong product that I didn't want.
I waited long enough and gave Scott the opportunity to pay back the money that I had sent him over a longer period of time. Scott didn't do this and insulted me.

You know what, League?  I think you conducted yourself very well in the transaction.  If I understand correctly, you are out roughly $100 but you have the head and handle in hand.  If that is true...keep the razor and sell it for your $100 + shipping.  Problem solved.

PS.  I think you misunderstand T28.  He is on your side here.

Alright. My translation is not the best.
These are Scott's photos:

I understand you Tester, but please tell me why should I pay more than 100€ extra including shipping if I receive a wrong product that I didn't want.
I waited long enough and gave Scott the opportunity to pay back the money that I had sent him over a longer period of time. Scott didn't do this and insulted me.

You know what, League?  I think you conducted yourself very well in the transaction.  If I understand correctly, you are out roughly $100 but you have the head and handle in hand.  If that is true...keep the razor and sell it for your $100 + shipping.  Problem solved.

PS.  I think you misunderstand T28.  He is on your side here.

Not according to the message he sent Andrew and I....

PS - I stepped down from moderating everyone....

I understand you Tester, but please tell me why should I pay more than 100€ extra including shipping if I receive a wrong product that I didn't want.
I waited long enough and gave Scott the opportunity to pay back the money that I had sent him over a longer period of time. Scott didn't do this and insulted me.

You know what, League?  I think you conducted yourself very well in the transaction.  If I understand correctly, you are out roughly $100 but you have the head and handle in hand.  If that is true...keep the razor and sell it for your $100 + shipping.  Problem solved.

PS.  I think you misunderstand T28.  He is on your side here.

Not according the message he sent Andrew and I....

Ha! At this point, I'm out. Playing with less than a half deck is no bueno.

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