2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

Osprey is fully made in USA where labour costs are considerably higher and it comes in $200 cheaper

Rocnel says processing costs for Ti are lower and yet Sailor Ti costs about $200 more than the Osprey.

Honestly I never got the Rocnel prices. I have bought many razors made by Murat over the years, but razors are way too priced in my opinion, for being made in Turkey too.

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Does anyone want to do a side by side between the Rocnel Sailor and Osprey (in SS)?
The comparison would be even more relevant if done in Ti but that won't be possible for
a few months, at least.

There is a significant price differential between the Ti versions of Sailor and Osprey.
Osprey is fully made in USA where labour costs are considerably higher and it comes in $200 cheaper

Rocnel says processing costs for Ti are lower and yet Sailor Ti costs about $200 more than the Osprey.

Salaries for machinists, technicians, or skilled workers are significantly higher than those for engineers in Turkey due to their rarity.
But, I can't make a direct comparison with the US. Also, MC versions have always been priced higher.

Salaries for machinists, technicians, or skilled workers are significantly higher than those for engineers in Turkey due to their rarity.

Imagine how much he (and by extension, we) could save if he sent his razors to the machinery shop that Blackland USA uses  

Salaries for machinists, technicians, or skilled workers are significantly higher than those for engineers in Turkey due to their rarity.

Imagine how much he (and by extension, we) could save if he sent his razors to the machinery shop that Blackland USA uses  

May be or not, we don't know. These machine shops weren't built for safety razor production, since the market doesn't have that much demand. They are just filling the gaps between their real projects. They wanna keep their machine shop running at all times.

Also, since these are hobby items, I prefer to purchase a razor that is directly crafted by an artisan.

Has anyone been able to compare the Sailor to the Rex Ambassador or Rex Konsul as to efficient and comfort results?

Has anyone been able to compare the Sailor to the Rex Ambassador or Rex Konsul as to efficient and comfort results?

You may get varying results with this as it's very subjective. 
Nonetheless, if you would like to hear mine, then here it is. 
Please, note that I used the Rex Ambassador quite a few years ago and I can only comment on the Rocnel Sailor Hybrid (although I've been informed that all of the versions shave identically to one another). 
I find the Sailor much more comfortable even on the higher settings (4-6) and more efficient. I would have to say the Sailor is the most efficient DE razor that I've tried. For whatever reason, the Ambassador just didn't work for me. It is a very well made razor, but it wasn't a favourite of mine. Not sure what it is, but that's life. 
Good luck.

P.S. You can also open the Rocnel up by two full turns of the knob allowing it to open to a 12 or beyond if you really want efficency. You have to be quite careful, of course, but it would be overkill as setting 6 is extremely efficient.

Comparing pricing between a production razor to a limited artisan offering designed, machined, finished, and assembled by a single person is disingenuous. A premium is to be expected for makers' attention. The same is true in the knife world. Customs are much higher priced.

Wait until an all Ti version of the Sailor is available and then maybe compare...on price.

There isn't much similar in the shave once the Sailor gets past 2.

The Osprey is a great shaver and will have a much, much broader audience.



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Does anyone want to do a side by side between the Rocnel Sailor and Osprey (in SS)?
The comparison would be even more relevant if done in Ti but that won't be possible for
a few months, at least.

There is a significant price differential between the Ti versions of Sailor and Osprey.
Osprey is fully made in USA where labour costs are considerably higher and it comes in $200 cheaper

Rocnel says processing costs for Ti are lower and yet Sailor Ti costs about $200 more than the Osprey.

I guess the post below is in response to the post above, so I'll take it.
"Disingenuous" suggests underlying dishonesty, with premeditation and malice.
No offence intended I am sure, and none taken.
While I plead not guilty to disingenuousness, though, I will plead guilty to being uninformed.
But I don't see it as a customer's job to be fully aware of all the ins and outs of machine
workshops...and how they operate.

At the end of the day, customers see price as point of comparison to support a decision.
IMO, a lot of the nuance is lost on them...as majority of customers rarely go into such granular detail about
the manufacturing approach of individual manufacturers and what happens inside the factory.
I am sure there are connoisseurs for whom all these factors do come into play, though.

I may be wrong, but for me, the Osprey and Sailor are both artisan made razors.
And they seem to quite different in how they operate on the face.

Comparing pricing between a production razor to a limited artisan offering designed, machined, finished, and assembled by a single person is disingenuous. A premium is to be expected for makers' attention. The same is true in the knife world. Customs are much higher priced.

Wait until an all Ti version of the Sailor is available and then maybe compare...on price.

There isn't much similar in the shave once the Sailor gets past 2.

The Osprey is a great shaver and will have a much, much broader audience.

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Does anyone want to do a side by side between the Rocnel Sailor and Osprey (in SS)?
The comparison would be even more relevant if done in Ti but that won't be possible for
a few months, at least.

There is a significant price differential between the Ti versions of Sailor and Osprey.
Osprey is fully made in USA where labour costs are considerably higher and it comes in $200 cheaper

Rocnel says processing costs for Ti are lower and yet Sailor Ti costs about $200 more than the Osprey.

I guess the post below is in response to the post above, so I'll take it.
"Disingenuous" suggests underlying dishonesty, with premeditation and malice.
No offence intended I am sure, and none taken.
While I plead not guilty to disingenuousness, though, I will plead guilty to being uninformed.
But I don't see it as a customer's job to be fully aware of all the ins and outs of machine
workshops...and how they operate.

At the end of the day, customers see price as point of comparison to support a decision.
IMO, a lot of the nuance is lost on them...as majority of customers rarely go into such granular detail about
the manufacturing approach of individual manufacturers and what happens inside the factory.
I am sure there are connoisseurs for whom all these factors do come into play, though.

I may be wrong, but for me, the Osprey and Sailor are both artisan made razors.
And they seem to quite different in how they operate on the face.

Comparing pricing between a production razor to a limited artisan offering designed, machined, finished, and assembled by a single person is disingenuous. A premium is to be expected for makers' attention. The same is true in the knife world. Customs are much higher priced.

Wait until an all Ti version of the Sailor is available and then maybe compare...on price.

There isn't much similar in the shave once the Sailor gets past 2.

The Osprey is a great shaver and will have a much, much broader audience.

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If all one sees is price. Good for you, ignorance is bliss. Buy the cheaper product. Be glad you don't go deeper down the hole, it can get expensive if you appreciate talent and gifted people.

There is too much in your post to dissect, and I'm not inclined to anyway.

Disingenuous:
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

"he was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical

I wasn't accusing you of being dishonest and no, I mean no insult. The word, to me, is accurate. I think you know the difference and are choosing to be intentionally obtuse.

If you don't know difference, go back to my first thought. Be glad. Buy the cheapest thing that works for you and be glad.

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I wasn't accusing you of being dishonest and no, I mean no insult. The word, to me, is accurate.
I think you know the difference and are choosing to be intentionally obtuse.

This is despite me categorically saying that I don't. Technical stuff does not concern me too much.
Plus, I'm not into knives.

I just wanted to hear opinions about these two top shelf razors pitted against each other....I mentioned 
the price differential because $200 is significant. For some people, this will matter, for some it won't.

Having said that, The decision does not have to be made any time soon. Both razors will be around for a 
while and there will likely be improved versions and so on. So plenty of time to read user reports and
get one, both or none.