2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

I think the small components, such as springs, pin-lockers, and rings, are not made of titanium. In my opinion,
when both the head and handle are made of titanium, I can call it a Titanium Razor.

You are welcome to your definition of what constitutes a Ti razor.
I am merely commenting on what he has published...which may prevent this from factually being called a
"full" Ti razor.

Rocnel has not specifically stated what parts are not Ti so I'm not sure how you would know exactly what those
parts are. My Taiga Ti razor too has a SS spring—but such ancillary components are never counted as an integral
part of the razor (since springs and little screws are a 3rd party component, I guess).

I also take this comment from Rocnel with a pinch of salt:
"Titanium material cost is high. However, due to its lower processing cost, its price is lower than its counterpart
made of stainless steel."

This contradicts historical records that show dozens of razor models where the Ti version has been priced
higher than the SS counterpart...so were customers overcharged in all those cases? James of Wolfman has said
(and I paraphrase) that Ti is a difficult material to work with because it "fights back"...hence the higher pricing.
So something about Rocnel's claims is not adding up for me.

LOOT is this Ti razor different than the December one or maybe the same just months early?

I understand why you're calling it a hybrid razor, but in my opinion, if both the razor's head and handle are made of titanium, it is enough to be considered a titanium razor.

I appreciate that Rocnel mentioned he could manufacture a titanium razor more cheaply than one made of stainless steel, so I hope the standard titanium model will be released and priced at 285 euros or less (plus shipping). I would also be willing to pay him more for the MC model if it had noticeable differences from the standard model and it had unique design.

Good on you, Sir....full Ti it is then...for you.

But we cannot just change the meaning of words as they stand

got us a coupla rat sniffers, eh?

The cost of Ti is actually quite reasonable currently. 

There was a spike (probably based off the IPhone 15 Pro launch rumors) and then it settled back down.  Alloys are available at good prices to for mfg parts and razors.  

LOOT is this Ti razor different than the December one or maybe the same just months early?

It's the same razor. They moved the 24MC production from June '24 (December 24 delivery) back to Dec '23 (June 24 delivery).

Since there seemed to be some concern about Murat's integrity, I posed the following questions to him directly.  Any of you can do the same on IG.  My guess is he would reply to you as well.  

Q: Which components of the MC is NOT Ti? You've said there are 14 machined part. All 14 are Ti? There are a couple guys on DFS questions whether it is really all Ti or still a hybrid

A: The The locking ball system is hardened steel. It is a very tiny piece. Springs are special spring steel, titanium spring will not be functional. The ring part is optionally titanium or brass. So, on average, 98% of it is titanium.locking ball system is hardened steel. It is a very tiny piece. Springs are special spring steel, titanium spring will not be functional. The ring part is optionally titanium or brass. So, on average, 98% of it is titanium.

Q: "Titanium material cost is high. However, due to its lower processing cost, its price is lower than its counterpart made of stainless steel."  This seems opposite of every razor maker. All have said Ti is more difficult to machine and charge more for their Ti models. Can you explain what you mean?

A: Let me explain simply. Most of the cost is related to CNC machining tools. Tools used to machine titanium are cheaper and longer lasting. It is easier and shorter to remove chips from titanium. The equipment is less expensive. Titanium is just a fancy metal name in my opinion. This metal name creates a positive intangible impact on Customers from all sectors. Unfortunately, this metal does not have much meaning in industrial language. We are a multi-partner company. Razor blades are a very small part of our business. The profit policy of all our partners is the same. Profit is added to the total cost at the standard rate. This is the case when we produce parts for aviation, and it is the same when we produce razor blades. Ultimately, this situation is reflected in the prices.

I had absolutely no questions about the razor or Murat but wanted to applaud you for doing other peoples legwork and getting their answers for them LOOT

I had absolutely no questions about the razor or Murat but wanted to applaud you for doing other peoples legwork and getting their answers for them LOOT

Thanks Dave.

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