Wolfman WR2 Head Discussion

Will the Darwin handle be available in Titanium?

Even in the past when he was doing Ti, Darwin was never an option.
Steel version is pretty light to begin with...57gms....unless you want a sub 30 gm version in Ti.

But that is moot since Ti may is not on the cards for now.

I think he sets up his machinery to create the basic shape of the handle designs in bulk.
He always said Ti was a tough material to work with and I can sense he's trying to divert attention
away from it.

At his AMA, he said he never made Ti Darwin and that he might do so soon. That was long ago and
he says a lot of stuff that never comes to pass.

Will the Darwin handle be available in Titanium?

Even in the past when he was doing Ti, Darwin was never an option.
Steel version is pretty light to begin with...57gms....unless you want a sub 30 gm version in Ti.

But that is moot since Ti may is not on the cards for now.

I think  he sets up his machinery to create the basic shape of the handle designs in bulk.
He always said Ti was a tough material to work with and I can sense he's trying to divert attention
away from it.

At his AMA, he said he never made Ti Darwin and that he might do so soon. That was long ago and
he says a lot of stuff that never comes to pass.

From what I have understood from other applications Ti is more abrasion resistant and therefore will wear cutting bits more quickly. Also, unless I'm badly mistaken you cannot use the same cutting bits on steel and Ti. So if that is correct James would have to do a completely different setup to do a run of Ti.

This is why I'm hoping enough people will take the postpone option on their google form order ... and tell James/Tara that they are postponing to wait for the availability of Ti. 

There is the argument that if James announces the availability of Ti he'll get a ton of orders, and that is undoubtedly so, but I still think if enough people step up to the plate by postponing ... and telling him why ... he will do a run of Ti. 

From what I have understood from other applications Ti is more abrasion resistant and therefore will wear cutting bits more quickly. 

I'm pretty sure there are changes to do Titanium and difficulties/reasons he has stuck with SS but I don't think Titanium is considered more "Abrasion Resistant"


Titanium is approximately three to four times stronger than stainless steel, which means its lifespan over generations is slightly longer. However, titanium can scratch, so its care entails routine polishing, or it risks becoming dull and marred.

From what I have understood from other applications Ti is more abrasion resistant and therefore will wear cutting bits more quickly. 

I'm pretty sure there are changes to do Titanium and difficulties/reasons he has stuck with SS but I don't think Titanium is considered more "Abrasion Resistant"


Titanium is approximately three to four times stronger than stainless steel, which means its lifespan over generations is slightly longer. However, titanium can scratch, so its care entails routine polishing, or it risks becoming dull and marred.

My friend google search   The very properties that make titanium such a beneficial and high-performance metal are also the properties that can make it difficult to machine. ... Titanium alloys have a low Young's modulus, which causes spring back and chatter during machining. This can create poor surface quality in the finished product.

https://inversesolutionsinc.com/why-is-m...difficult/

From what I have understood from other applications Ti is more abrasion resistant and therefore will wear cutting bits more quickly. 

I'm pretty sure there are changes to do Titanium and difficulties/reasons he has stuck with SS but I don't think Titanium is considered more "Abrasion Resistant"


Titanium is approximately three to four times stronger than stainless steel, which means its lifespan over generations is slightly longer. However, titanium can scratch, so its care entails routine polishing, or it risks becoming dull and marred.

My friend google search   The very properties that make titanium such a beneficial and high-performance metal are also the properties that can make it difficult to machine. ... Titanium alloys have a low Young's modulus, which causes spring back and chatter during machining. This can create poor surface quality in the finished product.

https://inversesolutionsinc.com/why-is-m...difficult/

My quote was from google too.  Abrasion isn't the same thing. I associate abrasion resistance with scratch resistance. I did recognize there are inherent problems with turning it but didn't see that as anything to do with abrasion resistance........ I could be wrong

I'm pretty sure there are changes to do Titanium and difficulties/reasons he has stuck with SS but I don't think Titanium is considered more "Abrasion Resistant"


Titanium is approximately three to four times stronger than stainless steel, which means its lifespan over generations is slightly longer. However, titanium can scratch, so its care entails routine polishing, or it risks becoming dull and marred.

My friend google search   The very properties that make titanium such a beneficial and high-performance metal are also the properties that can make it difficult to machine. ... Titanium alloys have a low Young's modulus, which causes spring back and chatter during machining. This can create poor surface quality in the finished product.

https://inversesolutionsinc.com/why-is-m...difficult/

My quote was from google too.  Abrasion isn't the same thing. I associate abrasion resistance with scratch resistance. I did recognize there are inherent problems with turning it but didn't see that as anything to do with abrasion resistance........ I could be wrong

I was an ironworker in structural steel erection for 20 years. Went welding school as part of the apprentice program. We learned that SS is more abrasion resistant than carbon steel. I may have transferred that info to my impression of Ti ... so you could be right, and I could be (shudder) wrong ... I was wrong once before 

I know stainless is more abrasion resistant first hand, from sharpening pocket knives and honing razors. 

Ti is super cool though. Who would have thought 15 years ago we'd have not only a plethora of SS DEs, but Ti DEs as well !

My friend google search   The very properties that make titanium such a beneficial and high-performance metal are also the properties that can make it difficult to machine. ... Titanium alloys have a low Young's modulus, which causes spring back and chatter during machining. This can create poor surface quality in the finished product.

https://inversesolutionsinc.com/why-is-m...difficult/

My quote was from google too.  Abrasion isn't the same thing. I associate abrasion resistance with scratch resistance. I did recognize there are inherent problems with turning it but didn't see that as anything to do with abrasion resistance........ I could be wrong

I was an ironworker in structural steel erection for 20 years. Went welding school as part of the apprentice program. We learned that SS is more abrasion resistant than carbon steel. I may have transferred that info to my impression of Ti ... so you could be right, and I could be (shudder) wrong ... I was wrong once before 

I know stainless is more abrasion resistant first hand, from sharpening pocket knives and honing razors. 

Ti is super cool though. Who would have thought 15 years ago we'd have not only a plethora of SS DEs, but Ti DEs as well !

Agreed, the choices nowadays are staggering 

The words James uses specifically when discussing Ti:

"Titanium fights back"

This is a direct quote from him.

The words James uses specifically when discussing Ti:

"Titanium fights back"

This is a direct quote from him.

And that would be the "spring back and chatter" referred to above. Makes sense.

There was at least one titanium Wolfman razor made with a Darwin handle. You can find pics of it on another forum. It was anodized dark blue. So a Ti Darwin has been done before and can be done again. That’s what I am waiting on...Ti Darwin