wolfman pricing discussion

“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”

Mark Twain

Ah the eternal question to which there is no answer - used VW or new turbo Porsche? Ginger or Maryanne? 

It takes all kinds to make a world, enjoy the variety.

True that! 


Regarding the first statement no turbo for me.  But I'd have a hard time picking between something like these.  Mary Ann for sure.  

           

@ 71 years old I'd take that VW, as lovely a lass as Mary Ann is/was. The split back window is a real oldie. My first one was a 1959 VW purchased in 1969. There was no gas gauge. When it began to sputter, running out of gas, you leaned over and reached down to a lever at the center of the firewall and turned it a quarter turn to open the reserve tank. No such thing as seat belts in that one, and they weren't mandatory yet. Had it six months and totaled the poor thing. A bit wild when I was a young un. 

When I was a kid growing up in the 60s my mom drove a light blue 58 VW beetle.  I remember the little red "reserve" lever that you used after running out of gas - enough to get you to the gas station and I remember having to open the front hood to access the gas tank and dipping the tank with a wooden stick to gauge your fuel level.  No real heater either and in a climate where -30 wasn't uncommon in winter that was a drawback.  We had to stick those plastic sheets with the adhesive cork gaskets on the side windows and scraping frost off the inside of the windshield was normal - good thing it was flat.  Good winter traction with the engine weight over the drive wheels.

JMO, but conflating forum BST rules with censorship is too clever by half in any event.

Look, I'm sincerely not knocking anyone's worldview. But talk to people who've actually lived in places with true censorship. Besides, last I knew, moderators at DFS ≠ government entity. I'm just saying, as a private entity, they are not required to provide us a public square to voice every thought that crosses out minds. If they find the administration of this site requires certain standards...well, their house, their rules, IMO.

JMO, but conflating forum BST rules with censorship is too clever by half in any event.

Look, I'm sincerely not knocking anyone's worldview.  But talk to people who've actually lived in places with true censorship.  Besides, last I knew, moderators at DFS ≠ government entity.  I'm just saying, as a private entity, they are not required to provide us a public square to voice every thought that crosses out minds.  If they find the administration of this site requires certain standards...well, their house, their rules, IMO.

That is true. That is why there are scads of posters here who defected from B&B and other forums who ruled with an iron fist. I would caution anyone to treat them fairly lest they go off to form yet another forum and this turns into another shavemyface.com, i.e., a "tomb".

I was a mod on a different shaving forum for years. If you do the job it is a sacrifice of time. Think about coming to your favorite shaving forum for a bit of relaxation ... suddenly a post is reported and you have to devote a half hour ... or more ... to dealing with it. It does get old. 

I've been on many shaving forums ... we all know them .. and most have a cadre who frown on BST threads period.

Not that they troll them, but they think that they are 'holier than thou' and anyone in favor of a basically open BST is equivalent to a charlatan or worse. 

One of the refreshing things about DFS is their tolerance for guys who want to sell stuff they decided they don't want, don't like ... without restrictive limits. 

Many forums are less accommodating.

I think the free speech and censorship arguments don't hold water.  Free speech is never completely free even in a democratic society - there are always reasonable limitations that balance the interests of those involved and society in general.  The old example is that you're not free to shout fire in a crowded theatre (unless there is a fire) because you would unnecessarily alarm the crowd and there's a good chance people will be hurt in the ensuing rush to leave.  So DFS is asking that you limit commentary on BST posts to allow the BST to operate as the marketplace it is intended to be.  Members can discuss Wolfman in other parts of the forum to their hearts' content as long as its civil and the BST is left to operate as it should.  Vendors don't have to deal with endless annoying alerts nor sift through posts from members with no interest in buying the posted items.  As far as censorship goes, its not censorship but rather the enforcement of rules directing where you can discuss what - that's why there are headings for the various categories of discussion on the forum.  It allows the forum to operate efficiently and members to easily find threads that may interest them to join or contribute to the subject matter discussion.  Its the imposition of order over chaos.  Its a common moderator activity to keep a thread on topic or to request and/or assist a member to move a discussion over to the proper place in the forum.  Nobody gets bent about that (normally) and it keeps things running smoothly and (mostly) everybody is happy with that.  Its not a big deal, relax and enjoy yourself - its a shaving forum

......although, Manners are free

True that! 


Regarding the first statement no turbo for me.  But I'd have a hard time picking between something like these.  Mary Ann for sure.  

           

@ 71 years old I'd take that VW, as lovely a lass as Mary Ann is/was. The split back window is a real oldie. My first one was a 1959 VW purchased in 1969. There was no gas gauge. When it began to sputter, running out of gas, you leaned over and reached down to a lever at the center of the firewall and turned it a quarter turn to open the reserve tank. No such thing as seat belts in that one, and they weren't mandatory yet. Had it six months and totaled the poor thing. A bit wild when I was a young un. 

When I was a kid growing up in the 60s my mom drove a light blue 58 VW beetle.  I remember the little red "reserve" lever that you used after running out of gas - enough to get you to the gas station and I remember having to open the front hood to access the gas tank and dipping the tank with a wooden stick to gauge your fuel level.  No real heater either and in a climate where -30 wasn't uncommon in winter that was a drawback.  We had to stick those plastic sheets with the adhesive cork gaskets on the side windows and scraping frost off the inside of the windshield was normal - good thing it was flat.  Good winter traction with the engine weight over the drive wheels.

Nice. I did drive one in the winter weather a bit, yes the thing got around great.

@ 71 years old I'd take that VW, as lovely a lass as Mary Ann is/was. The split back window is a real oldie. My first one was a 1959 VW purchased in 1969. There was no gas gauge. When it began to sputter, running out of gas, you leaned over and reached down to a lever at the center of the firewall and turned it a quarter turn to open the reserve tank. No such thing as seat belts in that one, and they weren't mandatory yet. Had it six months and totaled the poor thing. A bit wild when I was a young un. 

When I was a kid growing up in the 60s my mom drove a light blue 58 VW beetle.  I remember the little red "reserve" lever that you used after running out of gas - enough to get you to the gas station and I remember having to open the front hood to access the gas tank and dipping the tank with a wooden stick to gauge your fuel level.  No real heater either and in a climate where -30 wasn't uncommon in winter that was a drawback.  We had to stick those plastic sheets with the adhesive cork gaskets on the side windows and scraping frost off the inside of the windshield was normal - good thing it was flat.  Good winter traction with the engine weight over the drive wheels.

Nice. I did drive one in the winter weather a bit, yes the thing got around great.

My older brothers and I learned to drive (in upstate NY) using my mother’s ‘71 Super Beetle Convertible.  What an excellent car!  With the engine in the rear, and the light front end, it was an excellent tool for teaching how to drive during the winter, how to control a skid, and how to turn while slowing down in snowy conditions.  With the rear engine you never got stuck.  (Even if you did, there was often someone to help push you put, the car was so light).  The “parking” brake was a true “emergency” brake too.  It was a vital control, right at hand for “skid steering” when needed.  Great control system.  My new VW has an “electronic” parking brake that is totally useless unless you are standing completely still.

Paying rrp is fine.  Multiples of it is not a good ides imho.