What's your favorite soap by PAA?

....what he did or allegedly did to Veterans and Military personnel is something I don't mind making others aware of or brining up.  The reason being, I would hate to find out after the fact, that my favorite artisan or vendor did something horrible and deceptive in the past and never answered or apologized for it.

It could be he will never apologize or feel he needs to, and he has that right.  If that's the case, these types of discussions will continue in some way, shape or format in PAA, Synergy & Phoenix threads.

Do you see Ford, GM, Honda, BMW, VW, P&G, Intel, and about every major corporation touching many, many of the products you buy everyday or drive every day, some involving people dying over corporate decisions over very cheap parts, going on to auto forums or computer forums and apologizing for paying fines for breaking the laws they did?

Of course, these things are discussed endlessly, but asking for someone to explain themselves when he is not convicted of anything - that doesn't seem a bit extreme? Or does this just work for the small guys and we give the major companies a pass?

Again, to be clear, I have no idea what he did but I would cut him some slack the same way everyone cuts major companies slack and continue to buy Toyota, Hondas, Fords, Chevys, BMWs and Intel chips, along with Shampoos and other products from P&G, or be hypocritical in their life philosophy - or maybe its too inconvenient and the small guy is an easy target.

....what he did or allegedly did to Veterans and Military personnel is something I don't mind making others aware of or brining up.  The reason being, I would hate to find out after the fact, that my favorite artisan or vendor did something horrible and deceptive in the past and never answered or apologized for it.

It could be he will never apologize or feel he needs to, and he has that right.  If that's the case, these types of discussions will continue in some way, shape or format in PAA, Synergy & Phoenix threads.

Do you see Ford, GM, Honda, BMW, VW, P&G, Intel, and about every major corporation touching many, many of the products you buy everyday or drive every day, some involving people dying over corporate decisions over very cheap parts, going on to auto forums or computer forums and apologizing for paying fines for breaking the laws they did?

Of course, these things are discussed endlessly, but asking for someone to explain themselves when he is not convicted of anything - that doesn't seem a bit extreme? Or does this just work for the small guys and we give the major companies a pass?

Again, to be clear, I have no idea what he did but I would cut him some slack the same way everyone cuts major companies slack and continue to buy Toyota, Hondas, Fords, Chevys, BMWs and Intel chips, along with Shampoos and other products from P&G, or be hypocritical in their life philosophy - or maybe its too inconvenient and the small guy is an easy target.

He explained himself somehow back then with a sorry post and the promise that he would be more honest in the future on his Facebook page. Other than that, he didn't say anything.
What we are saying here is a little different. He has to make a post in order to put an end to all these accusations. Probably they're all true but wet shavers need to know. We are the people who support his work and products. Personnaly, I've made many orders from his site. So, as one of his customers, I think that he needs to say a few things publicly, not just a sorry, most of the times this is not enough.

@Ford with all the hoopla happening when it all went down, the apology was probably buried or on the backpage so I missed it.

I fully agree with your post.

....what he did or allegedly did to Veterans and Military personnel is something I don't mind making others aware of or brining up.  The reason being, I would hate to find out after the fact, that my favorite artisan or vendor did something horrible and deceptive in the past and never answered or apologized for it.

It could be he will never apologize or feel he needs to, and he has that right.  If that's the case, these types of discussions will continue in some way, shape or format in PAA, Synergy & Phoenix threads.

Do you see Ford, GM, Honda, BMW, VW, P&G, Intel, and about every major corporation touching many, many of the products you buy everyday or drive every day, some involving people dying over corporate decisions over very cheap parts, going on to auto forums or computer forums and apologizing for paying fines for breaking the laws they did?

Of course, these things are discussed endlessly, but asking for someone to explain themselves when he is not convicted of anything - that doesn't seem a bit extreme? Or does this just work for the small guys and we give the major companies a pass?

Again, to be clear, I have no idea what he did   but I would cut him some slack the same way everyone cuts major companies slack and continue to buy Toyota, Hondas, Fords, Chevys, BMWs and Intel chips, along with Shampoos and other products from P&G, or be hypocritical in their life philosophy - or maybe its too inconvenient and the small guy is an easy target.

Let me tell you something bud. I was not going to say anything because this company don't deserve my time, but since you want to defend his behavior, I guess I will. I'm a wounded combat veteran of two wars and what this guy did was disgraceful to say the least.

If you have never wore a uniform or taken a bullet for your country, I can understand your ignorance and skepticism, until then, cry me a river!

Oh, and a little Internet search will reveal lots of his shenanigans.

Ive seen the texts sent back and forth between Douglas and the combat vet that started the facebook group. They are available, just as readily as the accusations. Read them. Read the explanation of the vet that started the facebook group. Read about how douglas did not want to be part of the group, but was made an admin without his knowledge anyhow.

Thats not Douglas making stuff up, that is the person that owned the group setting the record straight. He did not preaent hkmselfbas anything. To let that bother this much is silly.

And my son is a 2 tour combat vet with invisible injuries that are devastating, so please dont attack me for having an opinion based on both sides if the story rather than just one side...

Everything else is simple marketing. Interviewing youraelf is not new. Taking on a character personna is not new. Multi-branding your products is not new. None of these thjngs oresent an ethical dilemma.

The FDA fiasco was resolved. Quickly, apologetically, and within the scope of the law. Why do internet trolls deserve a personal explanation?

These accusations keep coming up from the same people. Its silly. Grow up. Either buy his products or dont. But stop making silly, false accusations and attacking his character. People have been attacking him relentlessly for 2 years over non-issues, and somehow you think a oublic statement from him would put it all to rest? Seriously? In a society where people are sgill screaming about birth certificates you think this will die with a public statement? Dont be silly...

As regards the actual products, they are fantastic. The splashes are freakin awesome. The soap I just used for the first time this morning is freakin awesome. The brush I just got is freakin awesome. The shavette is freakin awesome. And everytime I have had an issue, the cuatomer service has been freakin awesome.

THAT is what these topics should be focusing on. NOT some silly idea that people are owed an apology from someone that they falsely accused of wrongdoing...

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Let me tell you something bud.  I was not going to say anything because this company don't  deserve my time, but since you want to defend his behavior, I guess I will.  I'm a wounded combat veteran of two wars and what this guy did was disgraceful to say the least.

If you have never wore a uniform or taken a bullet for your country, I can understand your ignorance and skepticism, until then, cry me a river!

In post #40 I explictly wrote:  IF, IN FACT, he lied about being a veteran = inexcusable Maybe you missed that? It is inexcusable. I have no idea what went down, nor really care.

124 deaths have been linked to the GM ignition switch failures. 27 - 180 deaths directly liked to the Ford Pinto where corporations allegedly decided it was cheaper to pay lawsuits that fix a part. Those people are dead and buried. Volkswagen has allegly ADMITTED they defrauded the US government and EVERY person who bought any diesel from them including all the brands the own such as Audi.  Allegedly

Intel was fined $1,400,000,000 for price fixing.
Siemens was fined $1,600,000,000 for BRIBERY
Johnson and Johnsons fined $2,200,000,000 for Malpractice

VW might be fined and sued for $18,000,000,000 ... etc. etc etc. And everyone is worried about this guy?  I am not defending anything he has done because I don't know the facts but I do know these others companies were actually fined by governments. So for those who won't buy products from this company, I sure hope they don't buy Johnson & Johnson, P&G, Intel, Siemens, or about ANY car company or they are hypocrites.

That is my point. (since I haven't bought any PAA products - I bow out of this discussion)

grim My apologies....

BadDad I understand your points and your son is in my heart, he is my brother.

I'm out if this conversation, it brings a lot of bad memories.

Why is it that I have never bought nor tried a PAA product yet ??

Okay, I own two CrownKing 26 mm Plisson fibre brushes, but that's about it.......

Didnt that guy ..... nevermind

Would you care to elaborate