What is the definition of an Artisan?

 I see you are mentioning MdC as a "Factory-made soap"  

No, I asked "Are SMN, MdC, CF, Klar, C&S, etc made in factories ...?"

That was a question.

MdC and Le Pere Lucien, for example are not made in factories as you would normally think of one.  For example, here's a picture of where MdC is made.

Splitting hairs? Lol....

Splitting hairs?  Lol....

Factories can't have lawn chairs?

Splitting hairs?  Lol....

Factories can't have  lawn chairs?

It's in France. What do you expect? Lol

Nephew of Freud, and the person who turned public opinion of his uncle from the fraud crackpot that he was into the primary theorist in psychology for the next few decades, using his techniques for influencing public opinion.

He realized that words, beyond their definitions, gain true power when instead of  mere words, they become symbols and stereotypes. Hence, looking for a definition of artisan is not useful. If you will notice it is their use as symbols and the stereotypes associated with the word that is the true subject  of most of the discussion taking place here.

Who created the symbols and stereotypes associated with "artisan"? Men you've never heard of, who work in the marketing and public relations fields. Paraphrasing Humpty Dumpty: It means whatever they want it to mean.

If you want to know how they do it, don't take the quick YouTube tour of Bernays. Read his book. Except, be warned that after you've read it you'll be able to see the matrix.

Ok. My one meaningful and purposeful addition to kick this thread even more sideways than it already is. Uzi, you seem well educated so I will address your points in this post. I'm sure you wont be offended because this would be a wonderful discussion if it were face to face over a cup of coffee and not on a shaving forum with the topic 'What is the definition of Artisan?"

I think you may be blurring the lines between psychology, sociology, and social psychology just a little. First off, Bernay, coming from a well educated family and being well educated himself would have been employing social psychology tools to mold the public to get what he wanted, or what he was paid to do. Yes, propaganda, or now we can call it marketing. (does "lift and cut ring a bell?) Even if it wasnt called that at the time and he didnt know thats the tool he was employing as social psychology is a relatively new field.

I dont think Freud was a fraud, but his methods sure could never stand scrutiny. Thats why everyone, including his own daughter disavowed every part of his therapies, except the actual discussion with a therapist. I destest the fact that every psychology class must start the first chapter on psychodynamic theory when it is a dead and disproven method of treatment.

So, where I think you may be going is the sociology route. One of the 3 tenets of sociology is Symbolic Interactionism. (think of the American flag) The roots of Symbolic Interactionism reside in pragmatism and it assumes that humans act in terms of the meanings they assign to objects in their environments. This also assumes that the meanings are imputed to an object are socially constructed.
So that means different groups (and people) will often assign different meanings to the same object (artisan) and established meanings and definitions are always subject to change, (and thus are and important feature of social change).

Artisan means different things to different people. Depends on the person's own construct of the term. (subjectivity)

Class dismissed. Go have a Coors Light. It tastes better.

^Agreed. Except for the part about Coors Light. Tastes better than what? Water?

Nephew of Freud, and the person who turned public opinion of his uncle from the fraud crackpot that he was into the primary theorist in psychology for the next few decades, using his techniques for influencing public opinion.

He realized that words, beyond their definitions, gain true power when instead of  mere words, they become symbols and stereotypes. Hence, looking for a definition of artisan is not useful. If you will notice it is their use as symbols and the stereotypes associated with the word that is the true subject  of most of the discussion taking place here.

Who created the symbols and stereotypes associated with "artisan"? Men you've never heard of, who work in the marketing and public relations fields. Paraphrasing Humpty Dumpty: It means whatever they want it to mean.

If you want to know how they do it, don't take the quick YouTube tour of Bernays. Read his book. Except, be warned that after you've read it you'll be able to see the matrix.

Ok. My one meaningful and purposeful addition to kick this thread even more sideways than it already is. Uzi, you seem well educated so I will address your points in this post. I'm sure you wont be offended because this would be a wonderful discussion if it were face to face over a cup of coffee and not on a shaving forum with the topic 'What is the definition of Artisan?"

I think you may be blurring the lines between psychology, sociology, and social psychology just a little. First off, Bernay, coming from a well educated family and being well educated himself would have been employing social psychology tools to mold the public to get what he wanted, or what he was paid to do. Yes, propaganda, or now we can call it marketing. (does "lift and cut ring a bell?) Even if it wasnt called that at the time and he didnt know thats the tool he was employing as social psychology is a relatively new field.

I dont think Freud was a fraud, but his methods sure could never stand scrutiny. Thats why everyone, including his own daughter disavowed every part of his therapies, except the actual discussion with a therapist. I destest the fact that every psychology class must start the first chapter on psychodynamic theory when it is a dead and disproven method of treatment.

So, where I think you may be going is the sociology route. One of the 3 tenets of sociology is Symbolic Interactionism. (think of the American flag) The roots of Symbolic Interactionism reside in pragmatism and it assumes that humans act in terms of the meanings they assign to objects in their environments. This also assumes that the meanings are imputed to an object are socially constructed.
So that means different groups (and people) will often assign different meanings to the same object (artisan) and established meanings and definitions are always subject to change, (and thus are and important feature of social change).

Artisan means different things to different people. Depends on the person's own construct of the term. (subjectivity)

Class dismissed. Go have a Coors Light. It tastes better.

You make some great points, but from what I understand, the introduction of Bernays was relevant both because of his social interactionist perspective and his discussion (not mentioned directly here) of the need to create demand using symbolic linkages rather than to "sell" using traditional methods (I refer to his analogy with the piano). Selling products by claiming their functional or aesthetic superiority is what he would call the "old" way of marketing, while creating demand through the use of symbolic elements (like the association of the term "artisan" with nostalgic beliefs on quality and craftsmanship) is what he was describing in his book.

Clearly this isn't actual propaganda in the sense that we understand the term, but it did launch the practice and is one of two influential texts alongside Gustave Le Bon's "The Crowd". Surely "The Crowd" was similarly limited in contemporary value from a psychological perspective, however it did make a number of observations that continue to be influential in both the study of marketing and the study of political propaganda. For practical and historical reasons, the meaningless and arbitrary disciplinary boundaries (which I am opposed to for various reasons) between and among these social scientific disciplines fell apart even before they were even constructed.

In any case, while it's true that the term itself is subjective, the deployment of that term can be strategic. Like anything, examining definitions and their interpretations requires a healthy dose of skepticism.

And on the subject of Coors Light, we may need to hold a DFS group intervention to disabuse you of that notion . Scotch/cognac drinkers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but light beer.

But his herd mentality thoughts are spot on.

" man is by nature gregarious he feels himself to be member of a herd, even when he is alone in his room with the curtains drawn."

I see this in shaving forums (not here of course). Say one thing and the herd follows.

But his herd mentality thoughts are spot on.

" man is by nature gregarious he feels himself to be member of a herd, even when he is alone in his room with the curtains drawn."

I see this in shaving forums (not here of course). Say one thing and the herd follows.

Yet another reason why I enjoy reading Bernays and Le Bon, grim . Lots of useful insights there.