#41

That Bald Guy with the Big Beard
Bishop, CA
And yes, just to be clear, I know that Paladin brushes cost about $160, not $300. Clearly, they also require quite the investment in time and patience to acquire one at that price, which ultimately elevates the cost of that product by whatever you value your time at.

You want to feel like you are getting the best deal on a Paladin brush? Get on the waiting list. Otherwise...you're S.O.L. Pay the high markup or "suffer" any number of fantastic brushes that can be readily had for less than $100, brand new...

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#42
What complicates Paladin brush sales is that there are no waiting lists. If the maker doesn't like this happening , then one of the ways to stop it is to have a waiting list.
#43

Member
Northern Arizona
BadDad, it is clear you and I will never agree on this, so let's agree to disagree. So far no one has bought one of the Paladin brushes, maybe wet shavers are speaking loudly with their wallets. Ken is aware of this matter, has identified the purchaser, and will deal with him in the future, I'm sure.

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#44

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
(This post was last modified: 02-28-2017, 11:39 PM by andrewjs18.)
I agree with what BadDad has wrote. honestly, when speaking of newly crafted items, the artisans them self are creating these markets by a) not creating enough product and b) not raising their prices to quiet down the demand. thus, when someone does acquire them and decides to move it, those aforementioned reasons set the market rates.

the real unfortunate thing is that people keep holding up wet shaving as sacred ground where the market forces shouldn't work..that's just silly and leads to people being upset. traditional wet shaving is making a comeback and it's only natural that items are going to become scarce or new products will be developed as time goes on..

those are just my opinions, of course..

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#45

Member
Atlanta, GA
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 12:30 AM by clint64.)
(02-28-2017, 11:38 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: I agree with what BadDad has wrote. honestly, when speaking of newly crafted items, the artisans them self are creating these markets by a) not creating enough product and b) not raising their prices to quiet down the demand. thus, when someone does acquire them and decides to move it, those aforementioned reasons set the market rates.

the real unfortunate thing is that people keep holding up wet shaving as sacred ground where the market forces shouldn't work..that's just silly and leads to people being upset. traditional wet shaving is making a comeback and it's only natural that items are going to become scarce or new products will be developed as time goes on..

those are just my opinions, of course..

I agree completely. I will also add that a secondary market with high margins for scarce items also encourages others to enter the market on the supply side. Limiting the price on items only serves to prolong the scarcity not correct the supply/demand imbalance. These are just my opinions for what they are worth.

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#46

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 12:39 AM by andrewjs18.)
also to add, the forums that restrict people from making a few bucks on items are forcing prices up as well. if someone can't sell an item for a set rate on a forum, then the items will be going to ebay where people can continually bid up an item until the auction ends. that then helps establish the new market values..

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#47

Posting Freak
Wow. OK, I'll grant you that the OP's choice of the word "unethical" may not have been the best word to describe the behaviour he'd witnessed on ebay. I'll also grant you that BadDad isn't wrong , however, I still say that IMO dude is a scalper and he's a D-bag. I believe I have the Constitutionally protected right to hold that opinion. Sure, he's a capitalist and not doing anything illegal (that we're aware of) but I still don't think I'd be interested in sitting down with him over a couple of beers to watch some basketball. There are lots of behaviours that fall short of breaking laws that are still generally frowned upon.

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#48
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 01:59 AM by grim.)
This has become a ridiculous argument

Selling at auction or pricing products high is NOT price gouging. States have specific statutes regarding price gouging related to disasters. There is no disaster here. An example http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodepopula...uging-act/ "Disaster" means any "disaster," "emergency," or "major disaster," as those terms are used and defined in § 44-146.16, that results in the declaration of a state of emergency by the Governor or the President of the United States. ... During any time of disaster, it shall be unlawful for any supplier to sell, lease, or license, or to offer to sell, lease, or license, any necessary goods and services at an unconscionable price within the area for which the state of emergency is declared. These laws are very specific and nothing here is a disaster. There is no price gouging.

EpiPens is not price gouging either. See http://www.marketwatch.com/story/whats-w...2016-09-02

"Mylan is getting a lot of criticism for its decision to jack up the price of its lifesaving EpiPen by nearly 500% over the past decade, which just shows how confused some people are about how capitalism works. Nothing Mylan did was unexpected or immoral. It just did what companies do when they can.

As Adam Smith said, the butcher, the baker and the drugmaker don’t produce and sell us the things we want out of benevolence, but out of their own self-interest.

From this point of view, Mylan MYL, -1.39% is doing exactly the proper thing by raising the price. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, Mylan isn’t in the business of saving people from life-threatening allergic reactions; Mylan is in the business of maximizing its profits so it can put as much money as possible into the pockets of its owners.

Mylan isn’t moral or immoral; it’s amoral."


This author is correct. It appears there is a lack of understanding of how capitalism works. Now they are being sued. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/busi.../95995348/ Mylan is motivated by profits and greed, not medicine or the welfare of its customers,” the lawsuit says. Well hmm ... Is there some rule they should be motivated by medicine?

I am not defending the high prices for epipens because they save lives, seems wrong. But its the way the system works. But more specifically this auction is not price gouging nor immoral. Its capitalism. Period. Don't like the price? Don't buy it. Don't like his selling style, don't buy from that sellers. That is the choice of the buyer.

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#49
I'm actually quite glad to see the balance of opinions on DFS. There are many boards out there where a collective decision of gouging will be made and members will take the extra step to hop on their eBay accounts and try to guilt and harass sellers on eBay. Let's be clear, if I set my Paladin at $100 or my wolfman at $300 do you think for a second it will sell at that price? The market is the market, if its worth $300 and $700 respectively, that's what it will sell for wether I start at $1 or $600.

Lastly and most importantly, what would happen if I decided to set a "buy it now" of $100 for my Paladin or $300 for my Wolfman? I would fully expect that it would appear 30 seconds later at the respective market price of $300 and $600. You don't have to love it or even like it, but that is how stuff works. The choice is always there not to buy and not to participate. I do it all the time in other matters, wet shaving is absolutely no different.

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#50
I agree.


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