The next Rocnel Sailor Adjustable.... Beefy!

Lots of way at looking at a $1000 razor....lots of ways a looking a shelf full $300+ badger hair too. I can look at those walls of hair and say the same thing..."holy hell, why?". I can no more see $5k in brushes than some can see $1000 in a single razor. It takes all kinds, men. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Really tho, $1000 in one razor or $1000+ in two Wolfies or $1000 in 3 new brushes (if you are lucky). Or 1 brush, 1 razor, and 1 soap. There is no universal definition of a den.

I've had, and keep, more $800 Wolfies than I need. If I trade one...and a brush...for a razor that can best any WR2 you lay on the table in one fell swoop, in any metric you care to try and quantify? Which is the better value? We all navigate these waters differently...and we generally shake our heads in silence at what we perceive as excessive. But then...who gets to decide excessive...or necessary...valuable or invaluable?

The guy that says NO WAY to a $1000 razor can be the same guy that throws $500 at Aldo for a brush. OR chases DG brush handles in every color and hair. I just generally try to manage my own den...and shake my head in silence.

Lots of way at looking at a $1000 razor....lots of ways a looking a shelf full $300+ badger hair too. I can look at those walls of hair and say the same thing..."holy hell, why?". I can no more see $5k in brushes than some can see $1000 in a single razor. It takes all kinds, men. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Really tho, $1000 in one razor or $1000+ in two Wolfies or $1000 in 3 new brushes (if you are lucky). Or 1 brush, 1 razor, and 1 soap. There is no universal definition of a den.

I've had, and keep, more $800 Wolfies than I need. If I trade one...and a brush...for a razor that can best any WR2 you lay on the table in one fell swoop, in any metric you care to try and quantify? Which is the better value? We all navigate these waters differently...and we generally shake our heads in silence at what we perceive as excessive. But then...who gets to decide excessive...or necessary...valuable or invaluable?

The guy that says NO WAY to a $1000 razor can be the same guy that throws $500 at Aldo for a brush. OR chases DG brush handles in every color and hair. I just generally try to manage my own den...and shake my head in silence.

Love this my friend!! I was just in a back and forth with someone that thinks Murat is pricing himself out of the market. I basically said some of the same things you just said above to him. I think there will always be a high end market just like there will always be a high end Audio market. It’s all in what YOU value in your Shave den.


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The one think I did not like was when I heard the head and handle were held together with high strength epoxy.

I don't think that to be accurate.  Granted, I didn't design them but Murat did share with me  privately how to take the 2019 apart and reassemble.  Exopy was no where in the conversation.

Probably there is epoxy. 

The one think I did not like was when I heard the head and handle were held together with high strength epoxy.

I don't think that to be accurate.  Granted, I didn't design them but Murat did share with me  privately how to take the 2019 apart and reassemble.  Exopy was no where in the conversation.

Probably there is epoxy. 

Yep. Seems to be. Disassembly makes sense to me now. Doesn't mean I will try...and if I drop it and break it, I have plenty of Elmer's to fix.

When was the last time you checked the dollars-turkish pound conversion rates? The trend especially.

Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2018 was 4.0205(*800=3216.4)
Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2019 was 5.8027(*800=4942.16)
Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2020 (now) is 6.9318

$800 are worth 5545.44 TRY today.

With turkish economy inflation taken into account, we have the following numbers:

5545 TRY in 2018 were worth 6670.73 in 2019 and 7504.44 today ($1082.61).

If you take inflation into account, $800 in 2018 are worth $627.83 today in Turkey.

So, you clearly pay these exorbitant prices because of the inflation and the weak currency.

The razor certainly isn't worth it so much money from an economist's perspective.

When was the last time you checked the dollars-turkish pound conversion rates? The trend especially.

Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2018 was 4.0205(*800=3216.4)
Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2019 was 5.8027(*800=4942.16)
Dollars to TRY in 18/4/2020 (now) is 6.9318

$800 are worth 5545.44 TRY today.

With turkish economy inflation taken into account, we have the following numbers:

5545 TRY in 2018 were worth 6670.73 in 2019 and 7504.44 today ($1082.61).

If you take inflation into account, $800 in 2018 are worth $610 today in Turkey.

So, you clearly pay these exorbitant prices because of the inflation and the weak currency.

The razor certainly isn't worth it so much money from an economist's perspective.

I don't think this is an accurate calculation.

You should use 3216 TRY ($800) in 2018, and with your inflation values 7504/5545*3216 = 4352 TRY today (Which is $628)

I mean to make $800 in Turkey now much more valuable than make $800 in 2018.
And making $800 Today is equal to making $1019 in 2018. 

Another comparison:
Minimum salary per month in 2018: 2029 TRY ($504)
Minimum salary per month in 2020: 2943 TRY ($424)

Basically economy is not going well, but these changes are beneficial for the companies who are exporting their products.

I corrected this calculation 13 minutes before you made your post.

It's $627.83 to be more precise.

I don't think this is an accurate calculation.

You should use 3216 TRY ($800) in 2018, and with your inflation values 7504/5545*3216 = 4352 TRY today (Which is $628)

I mean to make $800 in Turkey now much more valuable than make $800 in 2018.
And making $800 Today is equal to making $1019 in 2018. 

Another comparison:
Minimum salary per month in 2018: 2029 TRY ($504)
Minimum salary per month in 2020: 2943 TRY ($424)

Basically economy is not going well, but these changes are beneficial for the companies who are exporting their products.

I corrected this calculation 13 minutes before you made your post.

It's $627.83 to be more precise.

So, you clearly pay these exorbitant prices because of the inflation and the weak currency. 

Why are you saying this? You didn't get what I mean.
The inflation and the weak currency help the company to sell his products cheaper not more expensive. 
If you are making $628 today equal to making $800 in 2018. If you were selling a product $800 in 2018, you could sell it as $628 today from Turkey. 
Or Selling a product for $800 today equal to $1019 in 2018.    

You fail to understand something very obvious.

You say it's beneficial for the exporting companies, but, on the other hand, it's detrimental for the consumers of such products.

In such occasions, vendors usually prefer to absorb a part of this cost made by a seriously damaged economy (if they want to have customers).

For our US fellas:

$800 in 2018 was $815.28 in 2019 and $833,91 today. The inflation rates are minimum.

European economies have close to zero inflation.

These are his main markets outside TR. US and EU.

The prices this vendor ask is a result of your inflation rates and your very weak currency.

There is no chance, not in a million, he would ask more than that and still had customers and resellers. Do you think there would be any reseller in the States for this if he were asking $1019? Or more than a handful customers worldwide?

It's not what it costs him. It's how he chooses to price it. End of story. I hope you don't tell me that he loses money as well.

I don't understand the point that is trying to be made with the numbers, but I hope to hell Murat was well compensated for his time. He does good work. It takes skill to craft such an instrument. I can appreciate talent...and have respect for a man's time.

I'm a designer of buildings. I have a particular skill set that sets me apart from most others. My time is valuable. My clients understand that and pay me pretty well to manage projects for them. I see little difference in a guy who can design, manufacture, finish and assemble artisan razors all by himself...even if he chooses to glue the heads on. There seems to be only a couple of men on the planet who endeavor to produce such tools. Others may not appreciate the same things I do...and that's what make this hobby so damned fun. I meet some incredible people who share what makes their dens enjoyable to them...I appreciate all points of view and perspectives...shapes...and colors.

Your problem here CK89 is that you see it only from your country's and the vendor's perspective.

If you want to truly understand how things are, you have to see it from the consumer's perspective as well.

Compare the trends of the conversion and the inflation rates between the USD-EURO and the TRY.

Because of your very weak and unstable currency, it costs more to make these, whatever he imports to your country is more expensive and he transfers the whole cost to the buyer.

The buyer would pay much less a few years ago for the exact same razor.

I don't understand the point that is trying to be made with the numbers, but I hope to hell Murat was well compensated for his time. He does good work. It takes skill to craft such an instrument. I can appreciate talent...and have respect for a man's time.

I'm a designer of buildings. I have a particular skill set that sets me apart from most others. My time is valuable. My clients understand that and pay me pretty well to manage projects for them. I see little difference in a guy who can design, manufacture, finish and assemble artisan razors all by himself...even if he chooses to glue the heads on. There seems to be only a couple of men on the planet who endeavor to produce such tools. Others may not appreciate the same things I do...and that's what make this hobby so damned fun. I meet some incredible people who share what makes their dens enjoyable to them...I appreciate all points of view and perspectives...shapes...and colors.

I thought the point was obvious.

Europeans and Americans pay much more now for these than they would do so a few years ago because of the weak currency and the inflation of the turkish economy.

The prices he's asking is a result of a damaged economy (Greece's economy is not great too, but at least we don't have our own currency).

The price is not exactly a reflection of the special traits of this razor. It's a reflection of the economic status of Turkey. There's a lot more than just that. That was the so difficult to be understood point.