"Shadiness"

If I buy a car worth $2000 and some dolt wants to give me $4000 for it I am selling it. It's pretty simple. If your asking price is $200 and somebody flips your gear for $400 guess whos fault that is? YOURS. You can't be pissed about it, or maybe you should have asked for $400 yourself in the first place.

SERIOUSLY lol?

Just a FYI
I don't deal nor do I wish to ever again with Lee Sabini.

But the 14-16 M&F brushes I have bought from him and Classic Shaving and one other store, I have never paid more than $250 shipped. My M&F were all 25-28 mm knots. Brand new.
With two exceptions, a couple of rare old unused Chubby 3 and Chubby 4 like (if a CH4 excited, which it doesn't) 2-band M&F genuine Finest 30 and 34 mm brushes densely as heck packed.
So unless Lee has upped his prices since 2015, people charging more than $250 for a 2-band or 3-band up to 28 mm knot, are earning a profit or have paid too much for it used. Just my opinion.

Regarding earning a profit.
I have no problems with that.
People can just look away from the 'deal' if it's overpriced.

However for a person turning a profit on M&F brushes, then complaining over another guy turning a (much larger) profit on a Wolfman, is clearly a case of double standards in my mind.

I have never paid more than $250 over the years for Somerset Simpsons, Rooney (XL's), various M&F's, Thaters or even these wonderful new Declaration Brushworks pieces.

$345 for a modern day Simpson Chubby 3 'Manchurian' is ridiculous in my opinion.

Charles Roberts started all this with David Carter at Simpsons labeling brushes Extra Super and then Manchurian. Just a play on words to me. It's either great marketing or a bit shady. Why not both.

I have never paid more than $250 over the years for Somerset Simpsons, Rooney (XL's), various M&F's, Thaters or even these wonderful new Declaration Brushworks pieces.

$345 for a modern day Simpson Chubby 3 'Manchurian' is ridiculous in my opinion.

Charles Roberts started all this with David Carter at Simpsons labeling brushes Extra Super and then Manchurian. Just a play on words to me. It's either great marketing or a bit shady. Why not both.

Scarcity marketing seems to be a big part of the shaving hobby, and it quite frankly upsets me a bit. I'd like to try a really nice badger, but with the limited releases it just isn't feasible for me. Then you see people purchasing them for resale. It's not the end of the world for me, but I can't really get behind the OP of this thread any more than guy he sold it too.

It pains me that there are those on this forum that don't consider the term "gentlemanly" relevant anymore.

When I first heard that word attached a forum, I found it just weird. I couldn't place why nor understand what it had to do with anything about shaving other than say a Victorian Lord in England with his servant shaving him. After all, Gentlemen didn't do the work themselves, they had their servants for that. So I looked it up https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentleman

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a : a man of noble or gentle birth
b : a man belonging to the landed gentry



Nope, not a gentleman. Definitely not of landed gentry or noble birth. Today I heard this podcast http://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/12/13...hts-razor/ and it reaffirmed to me why all this "gentlemen" stuff bothers me. Definitely not a gentleman. Now you might want to infer it doesn't mean any of this anymore and the word used without meaning, like "Ladies and Gentleman" but that also refers to nobility and not us common folks. So yeah, I don't like the word Gentleman at all, found it just strange and out of place in todays society. (That does not mean you can't have good manners but rather the fundamental meaning of the word is out of place today. Find three people, outside of this "shaving virtual world" who even know what the word means and its origin).

Interesting post, grim.

Language is an evolving thing. While the original meaning of gentleman did apply to the landed gentry, or those to the manor born, it has evolved to mean a man of good manners, perhaps one who has learned those manners from mimicking those of the 'upper class'.

It's as if someone used the word 'awful' in the context that some product or service (or person's behavior) was not good.

Awful, as it has come to be used, connotes something that is very bad. But its original meaning was something that was 'full of awe', something worthy of reverence.

So, I think we know as we approach 2017 what is meant in the vast majority of cases when someone uses the word 'gentleman' or 'awful'.

Back in New York, in the old neighborhood, if you referred to certain fellows as gentleman, you'd get a swift punch. Call the same fellow a 'stand-up guy', and he'd be flattered.

What some have done by buying something on BST with the intention of flipping it for profit is within the letter of the Forum rules. But it's not something a stand-up guy would do.

It pains me that there are those on this forum that don't consider the term "gentlemanly" relevant anymore.  

When I first heard that word attached a forum, I found it just weird. I couldn't place why nor understand what it had to do with anything about shaving other than say a Victorian Lord in England with his servant shaving him. After all, Gentlemen didn't do the work themselves, they had their servants for that. So I looked it up https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentleman

1
a :  a man of noble or gentle birth
b :  a man belonging to the landed gentry



Nope, not a gentleman. Definitely not of landed gentry or noble birth.  Today I heard this podcast http://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/12/13...hts-razor/ and it reaffirmed to me why all this "gentlemen" stuff bothers me. Definitely not a gentleman.  Now you might want to infer it doesn't mean any of this anymore and the word used without meaning, like "Ladies and Gentleman" but that also refers to nobility and not us common folks. So yeah, I don't like the word Gentleman at all, found it just strange and out of place in todays society.  (That does not mean you can't have good manners but rather the fundamental meaning of the word is out of place today. Find three people, outside of this "shaving virtual world" who even know what the word means and its origin).

Semantics. I believe you know exactly what I am talking about.

This thread still makes me laugh....especially considering who started it and all the previous posts and threads that came to light.

It would be like me starting a thread on members being too blunt. I know I'm guilty of it and wouldn't think of telling others not to be.

This thread still makes me laugh....especially considering who started it and all the previous posts and threads that came to light.

It would be like me starting a thread on members being too blunt. I know I'm guilty of it and wouldn't think of telling others not to be.

Let's ignore the profiting off of the numerous Morris and Forndrans the original poster took part in (I found five more M&F brushes the OP sold for much more than Lee sells them for). Lets look only at the Wolfman in question. The OP said in a thread TWICE, that he incurred no additional confiscatory costs and took delivery of the razor DIRECTLY from James at Wolfman. That would mean, the amount he sold that stainless Wolfman for ($550), was DOUBLE the amount he paid for it. How then, can the original poster be angry, when someone buys it from him for that price, and tries to double up again? Its the EXACT same behavior.

Recently sold a Wolfman with accessories for $550 shipped (shipping and PayPal fees to be deducted). Same day buyer from this site gets it lists it for almost triple on that "auction" site for $1300. Sellers, beware if he buys from you. He's just gonna relist it on another site for triple. So why not just make that yourself, albeit unfair price in my opinion. But to each his own.

If something is sold at a price that both the buyer and seller think is reasonable and fair, then I don't see where the problem lies. Once an item is sold, the buyer owns it. It is his personal possesion to do with as he pleases, actions which are not subject to approval from any of the former owners. IMHO worrying about former possessions is therefore a waste of time. If something is PIFed or sold at a low price, then it is quite possible it will be resold for a higher price. The world is not gonna end if that happens. I wonder what the original owners of Gillette 195 (Fatboy) razors would think about them being sold for the 100 dollar price point. The original Gillette toggle or bottom dial owners might think we are a bunch of scamming criminals. Afer all, we participate in a hobby where razors worth a few dollars at most are sold for several hundred dollars.

And as for the gentlemanly thing, which I believe was cited in part above:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentleman

Definition of gentleman
1
a : a man of noble or gentle birth
b : a man belonging to the landed gentry
c (1) : a man who combines gentle birth or rank with chivalrous qualities (2) : a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior
d (1) : a man of independent means who does not engage in any occupation or profession for gain (2) : a man who does not engage in a menial occupation or in manual labor for gain
2
: valet —often used in the phrase gentleman's gentleman
3
: a man of any social class or condition —often used in a courteous reference <show this gentleman to a seat> or usually in the plural in address <ladies and gentlemen>
gentlemanlike play \-mən-ˌlīk\ adjective
gentlemanlikeness noun

and

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gentlemanly

Definition of gentlemanly
: characteristic of or having the character of a gentleman
gentlemanliness noun

If people spew out those terms to pat themselves or their cohorts on the back, it just makes them greatly https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mistaken. In a post, try substituting fools and foolish for gentlemen and gentlemanly. If the shoe fits, then the author of the post might have clouded thoughts. That does not change the actual meaning and usage of gentleman one bit.