#11

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(11-07-2017, 03:51 AM)Matsilainen Wrote:
(11-06-2017, 11:15 PM)Scritchnscrub Wrote: My first synth. Haven't tried it. It's so soft I'm hesitant to risk spoiling it by getting it wet. But I'll report back on my experience when I finally do if you like.
(11-07-2017, 02:21 AM)Scritchnscrub Wrote: Are the Stirling knots Tuxedo knots? Is Tuxedo a brand or just a way of describing and black and white knot?
Peter, it would be great to hear your impressions after you’ve used the new brush a few times. Also — great photos!

The first Tuxedo knots were available through APShaveCo on Etsy. The originals are stuffed with more fibers than earlier synths were, giving them more backbone and helping them retain a little more water. (Friendly tip: You still don’t want to leave a lot of water in the knot before you start lathering on the face.) The black & white colors have since been copied by many makers. Some of the copies are not as high quality knots as the original APShaveCo Tuxedos are, yet others apparently are very good.

Another synthetic option I would recommend is the Edwin Jagger or Mühle Silvertip Fibre brush, especially in the XL size (25 mm knot). The Silvertip Fibre knots mimic many of the characteristics of badger knots, while offering the benefits of a synthetic (no initial odor, little to no break-in time, quick-drying, etc.).

Thanks so much - that is most helpful. It’s fun to have discovered a whole new segment I know nothing about. New learning curve!

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(This post was last modified: 11-07-2017, 07:31 AM by EFDan.)
I have 15 brushes and 6 of them are synthetics. The good thing is they are REALLY inexpensive compared to natural hair brushes (Well badger anyway). New synthetics have come a long way in the last several years. You no longer get fishing line glued into a cheap plastic handle.

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#13

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(This post was last modified: 11-09-2017, 12:42 AM by Scritchnscrub.)
So...after two shaves...let me just say I want to gush about this brush. But I've been around long enough to know that early impressions can temper with time. I will say one thing though - I cannot imagine at this point how another synthetic knot could be an improvement over this knot (bear in mind this is my first synthetic so I don't have anything to compare it to). This said, I'll try to reserve further comment for another couple of shaves.

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Peter
#14

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(This post was last modified: 11-09-2017, 01:43 AM by UngerWoo.)
I think that Razorock brush is very good. But my favorite synthetics are the previously suggested Tuxedo knots from APShaveCo. I have four -- two awesome Rudy Veys and two Wolf Whisker brushes -- that I probably use more than any other brushes and I formerly used only badgers and boars.

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#15

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Southwestern NY
Congrats on the new synthetic brush, Peter!

I also have the same RazoRock BC Silvertip Plissoft shaving brush and find it to be very soft on the face. I have yet to try the Tuxedo-type synthetic, but that might be my next synthetic brush.

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#16

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Canada
So two questions:

Is the Wolf Whiskers Black Wolf knot simply a tuxedo knot?

Can anyone who's tried both the tuxedo and cashmere knots comment on their differences?
Peter
#17

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(11-09-2017, 02:52 PM)Scritchnscrub Wrote: So two questions:

Is the Wolf Whiskers Black Wolf knot simply a tuxedo knot?

Can anyone who's tried both the tuxedo and cashmere knots comment on their differences?

To your first question, I think so. It is fan shaped as opposed to bulb though. With Wolf Whiskers you're paying for the name and custom handle. I don't think the knot is anything head and shoulders above any other black and white synthetic. Then again, I've never used one. Maybe someone else who has both could chime in. HoosierShave?

The Tuxedo and Cashmere are similar in softness with the Cashmere being a hair softer (pun intended). The Tuxedo is a little denser and has more backbone. They are both great brushes and much softer than the Plissoft in my experience. So if you like that RazoRock, you'll definitely be pleased with either of these I think.

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- Jeff
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(11-09-2017, 02:52 PM)Scritchnscrub Wrote: So two questions:

Is the Wolf Whiskers Black Wolf knot simply a tuxedo knot?

Can anyone who's tried both the tuxedo and cashmere knots comment on their differences?

I have a tuxedo, plissoft, cashmere, and a boss. I'd say that the cashmere is the softest, it has the thinnest fibers. The cashmere will splay really easily which is similar to the plissoft. The tuxedo and boss both have nice soft tips, but take a little more force to make them splay. As well, I find when I splay these ones, they have a little scritch.

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(11-09-2017, 03:18 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: With Wolf Whiskers you're paying for the name and custom handle. I don't think the knot is anything head and shoulders above any other black and white synthetic.

The Tuxedo and Cashmere are similar in softness with the Cashmere being a hair softer (pun intended). The Tuxedo is a little denser and has more backbone.


Couldn't agree more with these statements. I have the 25mm Ultra Fan synthetic from Wolf Whiskers and a 24mm bulb Tuxedo in a Wild West Brushworks handle. In terms of softness, I really can't tell the difference. So if one is softer than the other, it's by a minimal margin. I really love both of the knots and don't think you can go wrong with either.

If you are looking for a little bit of scritch, Nuki Man is right on with the BOSS knot. Personally, I like it because it's not too much but it's definitely there.

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#20

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(This post was last modified: 11-13-2017, 11:35 PM by Scritchnscrub.)
After 5 shaves my early impressions are very favourable. If one were to measure performance strictly in terms of a brush's ability to produce quality lather easily, then this synthetic "Silvertip" Plissoft 24mm x 57mm knot -  scores a perfect 10 in my book. It lathers as well or better than literally any knot I've used in any price range - and I don't say that lightly - I've probably spent a few thousand dollars on brushes in the last number of years .

Keeping in mind that this is my first synthetic I have to say the tips are impeccably soft - as soft as the highest quality silvertip or 2-band silvertip hair - Rooney Heritage comes to mind as does Shavemac or Thater. I've read about other knots being even softer than the Plissoft knots but I honestly can't imagine what that would be like. Maybe people are referring to the knot's spring and not the tips -  or maybe they haven't tried a Silvertip Plissoft. Or maybe I just need to grab me one of those other synth knots and see for myself. Edit: I should add that I just returned to my Shavemac 2-band Silvertip after a 5-day synthetic binge and I might find the tips of the badger to be ever so slightly softer than the synthetic - but my Shavemacs and Rooney 2-bands are the softest brushes I've ever used - and the difference is really slight.

This knot has a bit of spring. I take it that spring describes the potentially negative aspect of a synthetic knot's backbone that can result in the hairs springing back and flinging lather around the sink if you're not careful when you are compressing the knot while you shave. It seems some of us favour knots that splay more easily to avoid this workplace hazard. But I'm finding that with a sure hand applying appropriate pressure it splays easily enough and very rarely flings - though it has happened. The density feels just right. The knot dries faster than animal hair for sure, though it is far from dry in 30 minutes as I have read of other synthetics - more like 2 or so hours for me so far.

The handle is hefty and very comfortable without being unpleasantly heavy. It's reasonably appealing and very comfortable in my hand. It's ergonomic enough for face lathering and based on the design would be a terrific bowl latherer. I've heard one criticism that it may fall over when resting in the bowl. I could see that - it's bottom heavy - which would make it top heavy in the bowl - and combined with the backbone the knot has, I could see it falling over when resting on its tips.

All in all, this is a remarkably good buy in my humble opinion from Italian Barber - I don't think it's available elsewhere and in fact it seems it just sold out there as well. Without a doubt it is good enough that I will be keeping an eye out on RazoRock brushes from now on - until now I had only ever bought their soaps. I decided to take the chance on this brush because the reviews on Italian Barber's website were so compelling - and now I can say they are accurate as well.

So are synthetics ultimately going to replace natural hair? I don't know - you tell me. My feeling is maybe - particularly in the lower end of the market where I can tell you I would now never recommend a drug store Omega over a $20 or $25 synthetic.  But are they going to replace high end badger brushes? Probably not anytime soon. And not because they won't produce every bit as good lather as your most prized badger or boar at a fraction of the cost  - and not because they won't offer as luxurious a sensory experience either. But it is a distinct experience in the way boar is distinct from badger, a Simpson is distinct from a Rooney - or perhaps in the way a CD is distinct from vinyl. Only time will tell.

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