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(This post was last modified: 04-14-2017, 04:30 AM by Tbone.)
(04-12-2017, 12:23 PM)vtmax Wrote: August 2005 Badger & Blade began and grew. That drew new members. The core of the Shavemyface contributors grew older and I don't think a lot of them could get their heads around the logic in owning 40 soaps and 10 razors.
From what I have seen, most traditional wetshavers can't get their heads around the logic of owning 40 soaps and 10 razors.  At least that was true for several wetshavers I have met in real life, and a lot of folks from the old days online.  Prior to 2010, the majority of the people I saw online seemed like they were more into getting a better, less expensive shave that having lots of stuff or super expensive stuff.  Even today I see some level of friction between the purists and the accumulators on some forums.  There are now some marked differences between the two camps.

Purists or Average Joes
- Want to get great shaves at a bargain price
- Most interested in tools that perform well and give good value for the money
- Have relatively few razors, soaps, brushes, etc. at any one time
- Also focus a lot on improving technique
- Often not terribly interested in intricate rituals and jumping through hoops to get a good shave (simple is better)
- It doesn't matter who makes it, as long as it works well and represents a good value for the money
- Just folks trying to get a better shave at an affordable price, not especially materialist
- Rapidly decreasing as a percentage of the active members on the wetshaving forums
- The great majority of traditional wetshavers overall

Traditional Wetshaving Forum Edition or Accumulators
- Want to get great shaves, and willing to spend exorbitant amounts of money to do so
- Want tools that perform well, cost is no object
- Value for the money is secondary to exclusivity
- Strong focus on having very large amounts of shaving gear
- Technique and great shaves are important, but gear is at least as important
- Often very into involved rituals and willing to jump through hoops to get a good shave
- Often strongly anti-corporate and with a marked preference for artisan products.
- A bona fide subculture of consumption, very materialist
- Now a great majority of active members on the wetshaving forums
- A niche group compared to the total number of traditional wetshavers

That is purely based on my own observations, and not meant to judge one group or the other.  I see similar things happening with other special interests that focus on everyday tools and tasks.  Fountain pens and flashlights, for example.  I will never really understand why some folks want twenty tools to do a job when only one or two is needed at most.  I also understand that those folks derive genuine pleasure from their pastime, don't do any harm, and provide revenue opportunities for artisans and small businesses.

Quote:Recently Reddit (Wicked Edge) with their 90,000 members dwarfs anything. Shaving forums are tiny compared to that board.
Reddit is run as a business staffed by paid employees rather than a hobbyist site run by volunteers , so it is kind of an apples to oranges comparison.  You are right, though, Reddit is growing by leaps and bounds.

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(This post was last modified: 04-14-2017, 11:06 AM by vtmax. Edit Reason: Spelling )
"Reddit is run as a business staffed by paid employees rather than a hobbyist site run by volunteers , so it is kind of an apples to oranges comparison. You are right, though, Reddit is growing by leaps and bounds."


Tbone, Interesting. I had no idea Reddit was not a hobbyist site but rather a business so that comparison is mute. Yeah, when I saw the 90K membership at Wicked Edge I initially thought it was a mistake! I've heard it's a younger crowd. I guess they like that type of medium. Less stuffy and relaxed. We have to remember it's just shaving after all and some forums (not DFS!) really do take themselves too seriously.

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Reddit was of those wildly successful startups, and was soon purchased. Their majority shareholder is Advance Publications, Conde Nast's parent company. Half a billion unique visitors per month and a huge variety of subjects on one site makes it a whole different beast than a traditional forum. It also has a refreshing lack of drama.

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#24
Wicked Edge has a SERIOUS hate complex for PAA lol.
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(04-19-2017, 02:18 AM)EFDan Wrote: Wicked Edge has a SERIOUS hate complex for PAA lol.

Dare me to start a thread over there titled "What's your favorite PAA soap?" Big Grin

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(This post was last modified: 04-19-2017, 02:48 AM by EFDan.)
(04-19-2017, 02:33 AM)wyze0ne Wrote:
(04-19-2017, 02:18 AM)EFDan Wrote: Wicked Edge has a SERIOUS hate complex for PAA lol.

Dare me to start a thread over there titled "What's your favorite PAA soap?" Big Grin

I used to do it for fun lol. It was like watching a cow fall into a piranha infested river in Brazil.

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(04-19-2017, 02:46 AM)EFDan Wrote:
(04-19-2017, 02:33 AM)wyze0ne Wrote:
(04-19-2017, 02:18 AM)EFDan Wrote: Wicked Edge has a SERIOUS hate complex for PAA lol.

Dare me to start a thread over there titled "What's your favorite PAA soap?" Big Grin

I used to do it for fun lol. It was like watching a cow fall into a piranha infested river in Brazil.

Were you downvoted into oblivion?

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- Jeff
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(04-20-2017, 10:54 AM)wyze0ne Wrote:
(04-19-2017, 02:46 AM)EFDan Wrote:
(04-19-2017, 02:33 AM)wyze0ne Wrote: Dare me to start a thread over there titled "What's your favorite PAA soap?" Big Grin

I used to do it for fun lol.  It was like watching a cow fall into a piranha infested river in Brazil.

Were you downvoted into oblivion?

Of course Smile

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(This post was last modified: 04-20-2017, 06:25 PM by Tbone.)
(04-20-2017, 10:54 AM)wyze0ne Wrote: Were you downvoted into oblivion?
That is a disadvantage of Reddit, as it promotes groupthink. The upside is that it makes Reddit largely self-regulating. If someone like Minuteshaver spews moronic posts, they almost instantly vanish from view.

From what I have seen, "What is your favorite Brand X product?" threads are often just astroturfing. It would not be terribly surprising if such threads were down voted, especially if the focus is a controversial product or vendor. For better or worse, it minimizes drama on Reddit, which makes it all the more popular. That, in turn, increases revenue.

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The two wet shaving subs on Reddit don't do drama at all from what I can tell. It really is refreshing to watch.
They don't take well to a snake oil salesmen at all, hence the quick down votes.
One really can't lie about their shaving soap ingredients hoping Wicked Edge won't notice.

P&G/Gillette gets slammed on Reddit as well with down votes and posts.
I do notice it is often posted by younger guys new to DE/SE razors still in their pink cloud having stumbled upon single blade shaving.

I can see Gillette's building across Fort Point Channel in South Boston as I type this and their doing fine. The world's 28th most valuable brand. The reality is men across the world buy into their shave system and it actually works for the vast majority of those men. For some it doesn't hence DFS.

Reddit just doesn't like to admit it.

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