#21

Posting Freak
(02-08-2018, 08:01 PM)luv2shave Wrote: Worse things can happen beyond not publishing a negative review!

Boss travels 500 miles to 'BEAT UP a customer who left bad review for late delivery'

I guess he taught her a lesson. Imagine the mentality that can maintain that level of anger for a 500 mile drive then track her down and beat her. For a review. Wow. It must be a very scary place inside that guy's head.

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#22

Member
Los Angeles
Maybe it is our (the shavers) problem, or maybe not. I always rate a product that I like but not when I do not like it. I feel it will not get posted. First of all every description of the product is generally authored by the manufacture. Pick a product (soap or cream) and go to as many mail order houses as you have time for and see if the description is always the same. I once gave an opinion on The Art of Shaving regarding an issue. It was posted along with seven others. After two weeks Yelp removed it and the other seven were still there. Why?? Wet shaving has become a marketing world so, do not always believe what you read about a product especially on Yelp.

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#23

Member
Toronto, Ont. Canada
Now, after reading this excellent thread I am going to my local weather office and give them proper hell.
After I clear the fourth snowfall from my driveway.
@%#&)(*^XXX !!!

Mickey

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#24

Super Moderator
San Diego, Cal., USA
(02-08-2018, 12:08 AM)iamsms Wrote:
(02-07-2018, 11:32 PM)Freddy Wrote: When it comes to something like scent in shaving soap, I find that a bit subjective to offer a one size fits all review and much prefer the person who will post something along the lines of "For me" or "I find", etc. showing they are honest enough that it may not be the same for everyone.


Isn't that redundant? I mean isn't it like saying 'true fact' ? Unless someone is a professional food critic/ perfume reviewer/ etc. isn't every review a personal opinion? When I read scent description from anyone (even from you in your SOTDs or other discussions), or read reviews on subjective issues over at Amazon, Maggard, Bullgoose, IB, I always assume it is his/her personal opinion.

I can't disagree with your logic, Sourav.  It's just that so many reviews come across as fact and not personal perspective.  Where I may be guilty is in giving positive reviews when I like something but avoid giving reviews when I don't.

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#25

Member
Toronto, Ont. Canada
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2018, 09:17 AM by Mickey Oberman.)
When it comes to opinions of the senses, all of them, can they honestly be anything but a personal opinion?
Even though a person may experience a particular scent or colour or sound in what is purportedly the same way as millions of others can one be sure each of those millions is scensing exactly the same as even one other person? There may be billions of miniscule or even major variations of the same thing.

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#26

Member
Toronto, Ont. Canada
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2018, 12:34 PM by Mickey Oberman.)
Marko,

"Wow. It must be a very scary place inside that guy's head."

It is probably a vacuum.

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#27

Veni, vidi, vici
Vault 111
Yes, same font...
Writing reviews is almost solely based upon opinion. When I am in the market for a product I always read the negative reviews first. I look for verified purchase reviews as well. I also write both positive and negative reviews, if the situation call for it. I just wrote a scathing review of Dominica Bay Rum Shave Soap. It smelled terrific, but was probably the worst soap, in terms of making a stable lather, that I have used in 4 years. If a merchant wants to utilize the review system, than either embrace it 100% and throw caution to the wind, or don't use it at all. I, too, really appreciate when a merchant responds to a negative comment or complaint with a calm head and does his/her best to rectify the situation. It won't always happen, but to the discerning reader, it clearly demonstrates the integrity, or lack thereof, of the merchant.

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#28

Veni, vidi, vici
Vault 111
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2018, 04:35 PM by primotenore.)
A) You're mistaken. There is no review written by me on that site.
B) I purposely did not mention the site because it is irrelevant.
C) IF, you are referring to the soap review, that WAS posted on Amazon.

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#29

Shave Maharaja
India
(This post was last modified: 02-09-2018, 07:21 PM by luv2shave.)
I really wish you would stop using the bold italics. Your post is perfectly readable and understood at the same level as normal fonts.

Moving on, I think most vendors who are artisans or those who have substantial capital tied up in inventory which has to go out and earn profit before more can come in, would exhibit such behavior.

If a razor design or a soap batch comes out with something wrong, they would try to get it out of their inventory and then introspect based on feedback or forums to do course correction and come out with a new batch. Why else do we have the "new improved" or tags like "V2" or anything else to subtly convey that this new stuff is better than what we sold you earlier!

While I would hate to be made a sucker in such a way, I think this thought process would be most top of mind when a vendor reads a negative review about a product that his personal brand is invested in. I doubt they would be so critical when reselling a product as they know they can pass back the losses for the principal vendor to own up!

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#30

Merchant
Bloomsbury, NJ 08804
(This post was last modified: 02-10-2018, 05:01 AM by Stone Cottage Shaving.)
I saw this thread and decided that I would like to post a reply but first I made sure that I read every post in the thread.  I don't happen to have a "review" function on either of my shaving websites so I don't have that as experience.  However, I have had reviews of my products on Message Boards and I do have experience on that end!

I main complaint would be that although everyone has the right to express their opinion that often it is not done in a "gentlemanly" way.  If you don't happen to like a product that is fine but is "bashing it" the only way to deal with it?  If you are expressing your opinion, wouldn't it be more beneficial to express it as your opinion rather than try to express it as fact?  That, in my mind, is the more "gentlemanly" way of dealing with it!  On the flip side, many people who read these "bashing" reviews take this into consideration while reading them.  A review that is a complete "bashing" is not always taken seriously because of its presentation!  Fortunately, these people who read the "bashing" reviews will often ignore them which, in my mind, is a good thing!  Unfortunately, there are others who read negative reviews and accept opinion as fact and that makes it difficult for the merchant.  I can see why some merchants might not want to post all reviews but that, in my opinion is not fair to everyone involved.  So, I want to suggest to anyone who has a problem with a review of theirs not being posted that they ask themselves this question:  "Was my review a fair, polite and gentlemanly response to the product/company that covered all positive and negative aspects of your opinion about the product?  If your answer is "Yes!" and the review that you sent was not posted then that was not fair!  However, if you answer "No!" (or anything close to "No!") then you've got your answer as to why it was not posted!
Merchants are merchants and we are all different from each other in many ways and also share characteristics but none of us are exactly equal to each other!  Kindly have the courtesy to not lump us all into one of your "imaginary" categories because you think that being an "artisan" somehow makes us different from one another...  I work really hard to create the best product I am capable of and do whatever I can to attract customers and try to find devoted customers who will support my business because they understand what I do and how much dedication I have toward this goal!  But, those who don't make their own products work very hard in finding just the right product to sell, present it in the best way possible and stand behind what they sell and may put in the same amount of time and effort or maybe even more!
In my response, I tried my best to express my opinion in the most "gentlemanly" way I know how and hope to be treated with the same respect.  I think if we all have this kind of positive attitude toward dealing with an issue like this then we have a much better chance of handling the issue in the best way possible and getting the results we desire!

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