#21
I'm slowly moving into the direction of 'just shave using great products'
I've now sold most of my badger brushes, since 2013 I have sold more than 100 of my badgers. All my DE razors are sold (60+ sold) and I'm slowly starting to focus on my preferred 10 shaving soap brands, where I will continue to buy soaps from.
Selling off the soap brands that are not absolute stellar for me.
Now own 16 prime badgers, 16 great synthetics and 8 fine boars. 5 Fusion handles and 5 Mach3 handles. 2 SE razors.
I'm pretty close to satisfied with where I am.
Still loving to read the forums, but rarely get excited over things these days.

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#22

Member
Detroit
(10-03-2016, 04:22 PM)brucered Wrote:
(10-03-2016, 04:13 PM)wyze0ne Wrote:
(10-03-2016, 03:19 PM)vtmax Wrote: WyzeOne, Bruce is here because he wants to use great products to get the task done. Forums are where you find info on them.

It is just shaving after all. On another forum right now guys are pontificating on whether to bloom or pour water on a soap. Really?

I thought all Bruce ever uses is Haslinger and a Gillette Tech? Coulda fooled me...

Nope. But I am using Haslinger for this year, that is no secret.

Since the OP asked who else is in the same mindset, I decided to post. I guess that was a mistake. Sorry to disrupt you with my post.

No need to get all defensive. Just a good-natured ribbing.

I was just wondering why you would visit a shaving forum at all if enjoying the "hobby" is so beneath you. And don't get me wrong, Bruce. I kind of wish you would post more often because I value your input and sometimes contrarian opinions.

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- Jeff
#23

Member
Las Vegas, NV, USA
(10-03-2016, 03:19 PM)vtmax Wrote: WyzeOne, Bruce is here because he wants to use great products to get the task done. Forums are where you find info on them.

It is just shaving after all. On another forum right now guys are pontificating on whether to bloom or pour water on a soap. Really?

Hey vtmax, we do have our very own bloom thread over here on DFS, too! Smile
Check it out: https://damnfineshave.com/thread-the-bloom-is-back-baby

(10-03-2016, 04:22 PM)brucered Wrote:
(10-03-2016, 04:13 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: Since the OP asked who else is in the same mindset, I decided to post. I guess that was a mistake.  Sorry to disrupt you with my post.

No need to get all defensive. Just a good-natured ribbing.

I was just wondering why you would visit a shaving forum at all if enjoying the "hobby" is so beneath you. And don't get me wrong, Bruce. I kind of wish you would post more often because I value your input and sometimes contrarian opinions.

brucered, it’s good to see you here! wyze0ne was just making a good-natured joke. I understand that when you have found the setup that works for you, it may seem a little pointless to hang out on a forum learning about new products, etc. But members with a lot of experience can contribute in so many ways, that it’s good to see you guys present here, sharing your opinions and knowledge.

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Whenever I go to shave, I assume there’s someone else on the planet shaving, so I say “I’m gonna go shave, too.”
– Mitch Hedberg
#24
(This post was last modified: 10-03-2016, 08:18 PM by brucered.)
wyze0ne I'm sorry if I went on the defensive, I haven't been on DFS for reasons I won't get into publicly and didn't catch the subtle ribbing.

Just to be clear, I never once said forums or enjoying the hobby were beneath me. You know darn well, I am very active on B&B and have been here in the past. The reason my shaves are so good now, is because of the time and effort I put into posting, reading and researching on forums. I have moved on to other hobbies that allow me to invest in things I can enjoy for more then just the shave time as well as have others enjoy them with me.

My point was, I am past the hobby of it myself and posted something identical to this topic months ago. I still get enjoyment out of many aspects that forums offfer, shaving related as well as off topic discussions on other interests.

I posted this back in April and I still feel the same:

After a few years using the 3017 method, a couple years of "Use More Product", a year of "365 Shaves" a successful "Shave Sabbatical" and now in the "One Year, One Brand" thread, I've come to the realization that " It's just shaving!"

I don't time myself. I don't take note of how many swirls on my soap. I don't remember how I hold my razor. I don't notice how long it takes my brush to dry. I don't count how many days I have used my blade. I don't know how hard my water is....I just shave.

And you know what, my shaves are more enjoyable than they have ever been. Nothing wrong with doing all that stuff. I used to weigh and track my daily shaves and soaps, but stopped a while back and have no plans to do it again.

Now I simply "just shave".

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#25

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
I always 'just shave'. if I feel like talking about it, I will. I also never post any SOTD photos.

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#26

Vintage Razor Fan
Southwestern NY
I'm 2 years into traditional wet shaving after about 30 some years of bad shaves with an expensive cartridge razor and canned foam or gel. I first made the leap primarily due to a particularly poor shave from a "bonus" 5-bladed disposable cart in a pack of 3-bladed carts. I was looking for a more comfortable shave and maybe even save some money.(Ha!Ha!) Well, I found a more comfortable way to shave, but certainly haven't saved any money. I'm OK with it, though.

I don't think this whole thing has lost much of it's charm for me yet. It's still a hobby, but my purchasing has tailed off a lot. I still have a fascination for shaving soaps(OK, maybe obsession), but even with that, I've cut out the impulse purchases for the most part. I enjoy my shaves now. I like the ritual of it. I like quiet time of it. So, it's not quite "just shaving" to me yet. Maybe it never will be. I've been there and done that.

Enjoy your shaves! YMMV!(As always!)

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-Rob
#27
There's an old Zen saying. Before Zen, mountains are mountains and trees are trees. Practicing Zen, mountains are no longer mountains, trees no longer trees. On awakening, mountains are just mountains, trees just trees.

So too with shaving.

In the cartridge days for many, shaving is shaving, some kind of lather, some kind of razor. Getting into the hobby, there's the plethora of choices and approaches: DE, SE, Straight, Soaps, tallow and glycerine, artesian and commercial, brushes fan and bulb, badger and synthetic. And within each of those categories, scores of choices. Shaving becomes no longer just shaving, but more of a hobby, a pastime, a passion.

For many, after some time in that phase, for whatever reason, shaving once again is just shaving. But it's done with insights gained, approaches and gear discarded and kept, simply and easily.

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All the best,

Michael P
#28

Posting Freak
Canada
(10-04-2016, 03:17 AM)Michael P Wrote: There's an old Zen saying. Before Zen, mountains are mountains and trees are trees. Practicing Zen, mountains are no longer mountains, trees no longer trees. On awakening, mountains are just mountains, trees just trees.

Lovely quote, Michael! If we could only remember this on a daily basis, there would be so much more healing and beauty, all around us. Shy

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Love, Laughter & Shaving  Heart
#29
(This post was last modified: 10-04-2016, 08:56 PM by grim.)
This is how forums work for subjects that are hobbies.

Joe Person gets an itch and decides he wants to make Pizza at home. Its a LOT cheaper than buying it.  Idea  (The subject is not relevant, fill in wet shaving for Pizza) Joe searches and find lots of people like to make Pizza at home and  joins a couple of Pizza making forums. After a while, Joe realizes there is more than just making pizza. You need need hardware. There is cheap hardware and expensive hardware. There is different flours, some cheap, some expensive - consumables. What's the best hardware to buy and what are the best consumables to buy???  Huh

So Joes  asks a lot of questions and find a core group of knowledgeable pizza makers. This is cool. These people know every thing.  Smile One day he realizes there is more to making pizza than just sticking it in his home oven.  You can make pizza, not great pizza but acceptable pizza, in a home oven. But not all home ovens are the same. There are others who make pizza the "old fashioned way" (think straight edge) outside in brick wood fire ovens. This gets expensive.

Joe Person is excited. There is so much to learn. Joe researches and buys some expensive gear. He finds out more and more, then buys LOTS of consumables, but that is not enough. He need the most expensive inside oven and then joins a speciality "forum" for wood fired outside pizza ovens. Now he starts spending serious money and the better half gets involved. Joe loves putting on his apron, working the pizza dough, getting the wood to just the right temperature, and fiddling with his recipes. He invites people over for pizza all the time. Over time he gets good at it, really good, and before you know it, he's dispensing advice to the newbies, and there are always newbies, on what stove to buy, what accessories, and of course - the FINEST consumables. After all, you can't use ANY old flour  Rolleyes , you need 00 Flour from Italy and San Marino tomatoes flown over today for the freshest sauce and, of course, home grown basil - none of that store bought stuff .  Character

Time goes on and he gets tired of hearing the same old questions over and over again. Although, when Joe Person started, HE was asking about ovens, and temperatures, and accessories, now he is seeing more of the same questions over and over again, and frankly - its getting old. How many times can he answer the same questions about wood temperature and the right consumables to buy??? There needs to be a Wiki on this. All this stuff needs to be written down and NOTHING is more YMMV than the taste of food.   Wink But ... hmm, the same questions are getting old.  Sad  Like - OK, enough is enough.

As the months go by, Joe Person stops reading the Pizza forum. There isn't much more than he can add. There isn't much more he can learn. He's made, 1,000 pizzas. He knows the consumables and he knows the cooking techniques and frankly, its time to move on. Besides, 100 newbies aren't newbies anymore and they are teaching the "new" newbies. There are ALWAYs newbies.  So Joe Person gets tired of it all and stops posting. Sometimes he reads, sometimes not, and eventually he moves on.  

Joe is a Master Pizza Maker  Now, his just makes Pizzas.  Some people tell him his pizzas are so good he could sell them.

Joe is an Artisan. He makes EVERYTHING from scratch from the dough to the basil he grows in the yard along with his own tomatoes to chopping the wood for his stove.

But Joe wearies of it and needs a new hobby ... Bread Making  Smile , so Joe searches for Bread Making forums and find there are dozens of them!!!  So Joe joins some and find there are all kinds of bread making hardware and all kind of consumables and all kinds of recipes to learn and techniques to study and realizes ... he is a newbie again ...

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#30
(10-04-2016, 08:55 PM)grim Wrote: snip


But Joe wearies of it and needs a new hobby ... Bread Making  Smile , so Joe searches for Bread Making forums and find there are dozens of them!!!  So Joe joins some and find there are all kinds of bread making hardware and all kind of consumables and all kinds of recipes to learn and techniques to study and realizes ... he is a newbie again ...

Brilliant post, grim  My appreciation of it had something to do with the fact that it was about two of my favorite things: shaving and pizza. Parts of it made me laugh out loud! 00 flour and San Marzano tomatoes indeed.

Your ending sentence, where Joe is back to being a newbie: Isn't it wonderful-the feeling of what is called 'Beginner's Mind?' when everything is interesting and exciting and new?

A great post, thanks!

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Michael P


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