I Have Hit The "Wall"

That's bulldozing the wall.

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Do you mean organic or sustainable sourcing? Not one in the same.

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Non-GMO would be nice, since I'm not into smearing pesticides and fungicides on my face.

Oh, you mean something like lanolin. 

That's bulldozing the wall.

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With a JATO on the bulldozer!! 

Do you mean organic or sustainable sourcing? Not one in the same.

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Non-GMO would be nice, since I'm not into smearing pesticides and fungicides on my face.

Oh, you mean something like lanolin. 

No thanks, I'll pass on the animal sweat and dead skin cells and environmental grime that are attached.

No thanks, I'll pass on the animal sweat and dead skin cells and environmental grime that are attached.

Well, I will not offer you a steak dinner then.

One if the problems is that ‘organic’ doesn’t mean anything, here, anyone can use it on anything. At best it's someone’s opinion. In the EU though, ‘bio’ is the equivalent term, but it’s a certification. The components of a product have to be certified as bio and the process vetted in order to call the end product bio’.

I’m also not sure mainstream customers will care enough.


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...And that's a problem.

Also, to Steve's point, there is "certified organic".

I’ve seen ‘USDA Certified Organic’ but that’s related to farm goods it seems. There’s an overview here, but notice the lack of mention of pharmaceuticals or cosmetics.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organi...tification

Cosmetics in the EU are governed by a body more like the US Food and Drug Administration, which does not regulate cosmetic products that are not taken internally unless there’s a clear threat to public health or there are health benefit claims made for the product. That’s how I understand it but it is a complicated system.

Here’s a portal for the EU Cosmetics process:

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/cosmetics_en

No thanks, I'll pass on the animal sweat and dead skin cells and environmental grime that are attached.

Well, I will not offer you a steak dinner then.

Steak isn't a sticky substance. I can also rinse a steak under the faucet if I choose.

No thanks, I'll pass on the animal sweat and dead skin cells and environmental grime that are attached.

Well, I will not offer you a steak dinner then.

Steak isn't a sticky substance. I can also rinse a steak under the faucet if I choose.

And steak is much tastier off the grill

Steve56 is basically right about the cosmetics here with regards to the FDA here in the USA. I am not an expert on the organic side, but have studied the cosmetic regulations.
Bottom line for makers...don’t make any claims beyond, “you’ll look great and smell great.”


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I’m also not sure mainstream customers will care enough.


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...And that's a problem.

Also, to Steve's point, there is "certified organic".

I’ve seen ‘USDA Certified Organic’ but that’s related to farm goods it seems. There’s an overview here, but notice the lack of mention of pharmaceuticals or cosmetics.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organi...tification

Cosmetics in the EU are governed by a body more like the US Food and Drug Administration, which does not regulate cosmetic products that are not taken internally unless there’s a clear threat to public health or there are health benefit claims made for the product. That’s how I understand it but it is a complicated system.

Here’s a portal for the EU Cosmetics process:

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/cosmetics_en

Gotcha on your point!
I really just meant that soap makers could use oils/ingredients that are labeled as certified organic. (I didn't mean that artisans' products should "go get certified as organic", although that would be the most reliable, trust me, I know.)

...And that's a problem.

Also, to Steve's point, there is "certified organic".

I’ve seen ‘USDA Certified Organic’ but that’s related to farm goods it seems. There’s an overview here, but notice the lack of mention of pharmaceuticals or cosmetics.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organi...tification

Cosmetics in the EU are governed by a body more like the US Food and Drug Administration, which does not regulate cosmetic products that are not taken internally unless there’s a clear threat to public health or there are health benefit claims made for the product. That’s how I understand it but it is a complicated system.

Here’s a portal for the EU Cosmetics process:

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/cosmetics_en

Gotcha on your point!
I really just meant that soap makers could use oils/ingredients that are labeled as certified organic. (I didn't mean that artisans' products should "go get certified as organic", although that would be the most reliable, trust me, I know.)

Because we’re kindred spirits in the fight against “Big Lanolin”, I’m going to plug some numbers in and see what it does to our cost to go with organic ingredients. I’m curious now.


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