#1

Member
Canada
This is just a post and please do not take this as an insult to the sellers of brush's here.

But I have over 100 of these and every one has lost more than 1 hair and I am saying top notch and low end.

I have talked to other well respected members and they have agreed with me..

What say you all?
#2

Member
Canada
Also it would be great if the brushmakers would reply with truly honest answers as well.
#3

Scentsless Shaver
Oakland, ME
I haven't kept a log on the many brushes over the years, but I'd say most if not all lost at least a hair or two as they were first used. 

For some levity, 



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#4

Posting Freak
How many bristles are in the average knot?  The fact is you're going to lose some along the way, theyre a natural product and a bristle or more may not have seated into the glue at the start and it will come out at the start and then some bristles may be more brittle and break off along the way as well.  I have had several knots that haven't lost a single bristle ever and I've had some (usually cheaper) that won't stop losing them.  Its a fact of brush life.  You also have to remember that its completely unpredictable how a user will treat their brushes.  Some treat them delicately like a finely crafted instrument and others ride them hard and put them away wet.  Some lather gentle with the tips and others are mashers and several in between.  If you ever read the Use Instructions provided by brush makers they specifically tell you not to swirl and mash the bristles but to apply in a a gentle painting action.  How many of us actually do that?  Water temperature, (too high) can impact bristles and loosen them or break them as well.  At the end of the day I'm going to use my brushes and I will rinse them and thoroughly dry them after use and I'm not going to sweat losing a bristle or two along the way.  I'm more concerned with the hair falling out of my head!  Big Grin

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#5

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 12-27-2021, 07:11 PM by Dave in KY.)
Most of mine have lost a few, but I will say every Paladin I owned(at least 6) NEVER lost a single hair. 1 SV brush out of 3 Never lost a single hair. I'll add more if I can think of any other outlier's.

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#6

Member
Canada
Myself personally I do know how to properly use a brush.  First on was given to me by my father, I think in 1961 with a strait and a balloon,(dulled) so I could partake.

I thought this thread may set some fire, but I have honestly said not a brush I have owned and used as some I have not yet, synth boar or badger have I not noticed a deviant.

I can post a pic of my stash.

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#7

Member
Canada
And this post wasn't meant to single out any makers I was just curious as to peoples actual happenings.

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#8

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 12-27-2021, 07:28 PM by Dave in KY.)
(12-27-2021, 07:19 PM)Monchoon Wrote: And this post wasn't meant to single out any makers  I was just curious as to peoples actual happenings.

Understood but felt if I'm claiming ones never shed I should name them. Still have 2 SVs but no longer own a Paladin. Just posting the experience with them. I wasn't naming any that shed so no negativity here.

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#9

Scentsless Shaver
Oakland, ME
Marko, my uncle used to say some guys' hair turns gray. His turned loose!

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#10

Posting Freak
I wan't suggesting anyone didn't know how to use a brush and I think these sorts of threads are great.  Productive discussion even about negative experiences is better than people going off about a particular item or maker in a negative rant.  This is useful. 

I think its interesting that brush makers specify to use their brushes in a way that everybody knows nobody does.  How do you make a lather if you don't swirl or move in circular motions.  You don't have to mash and with softer soaps obviously don't want to but it just seems...silly?  Ah, not so fast.  I am in one of my secret identities, a lawyer and I have read some product liability cases specifically with respect to failures of certain building materials.  Its a classic defence of a manufacturer to a lawsuit over building materials that have failed in application that the user did not use and or apply the material according to the specifications.  Seems obvious enough right?  Yes, however, in some instances the courts found upon closer reading of the specifications that it was actually impossible to comply with the specifications and therefore found the manufacturers liable for damages.  The case I'm thinking of related to high tech spray on stucco.  Damages can be direct, ie, the cost of the stucco and application thereof and indirect, ie, the cost to repair the damage to the building structure and contents when the exterior envelope was compromised leading to moisture incursion, damage, mould, health issues of occupants etc.  The latter class of damages can be huge, potentially unlimited and ruinous to a business which is why limiting liability is always a big deal in contracts.  But I digress... I believe that due to the uncertain nature of natural bristle brush materials and the manner of their use in the hands of the purchaser, brush makers have intentionally specified a proper manner of use that they know nobody will comply with as a defence to claims for shedding or otherwise defective brushes.  Your bristles fell out?  You didn't use it right.  You abused it and therefore are the author of your own misfortune.  Claim denied.

OK, to be fair, because I'm nothing if not fair, I've not seen this limitation of liability wording in any artisan brush makers documentation that I've looked at  and only seen it in that of makers like Rooney, Simpson or Thater,  Maybe a few others.  But I don't think its necessarily unreasonable in this context.  Brushes will lose some bristles and users will exercise a varying degree of care for their brushes.  Some people (most people?) accept that they're going to lose some bristles and are fine with it while some people will literally lose their mind over the loss of a single bristle and unleash their furious wrath upon the maker.  The makers are generally diligent and helpful and want to provide the best product they can but they need to protect themselves from the latter types of customers.

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