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(04-21-2022, 10:26 PM)DanLaw Wrote:
(04-21-2022, 09:03 PM)ALesser Wrote: Definitely agree re: Mohammad’s scents. Much improved (at least for me). But in the category of everyone’s tastes differ, for me, the only SE I don’t like of the three (so far) is Pasión. Too floral for me.  Ousia for me. Btw, if anyone wants Pasión I have an unused puck - message me, as it will otherwise be put into a BST den clearance soon.

Pasion is another of those scents benefitting greatly from breathing.

Leave a bowl smeared with Pasion out overnight ready for lathering come the dawn. While quite nice straight off the puck, having had a chance to air overnight, it simply amazing: tastefully subtle and nuanced. It wonderfully elegant aired versus directly lathered

Wow. Not tried that.  Will have to do so.

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(This post was last modified: 04-22-2022, 11:36 AM by DanLaw.)
Owe an apology to Grooming Dept and Mo

Have reviewed Kairos SE, Pasion to be specific, finding it to be a top tier soap arising to a returned status of second best base trailing only ETHOS.

Since that time have been reading the reviews of others as well as commentary from Mo. As a result have modified the lathering process by both allowing the soap to dry and breathe overnight prior to lathering, then literally drowning the soap working the lather heavily thereafter.

The results have been a revelation. While the slickness and post shave were at the top tier of the industry, using the aerating followed by aggressive hydrating procedure yielded incredibly improved results and, much to my surprise, increased cushion.

Clearly Kairos SE is far better than I had reviewed once my head had wrapped around its unique qualities and requirements.

To be fair, must state that Kairos SE and the base ETHOS soaps really are neck and neck in performance. However, that is NOT to state one can switch between the two seamlessly: they are world's apart in their physical qualities.

ETHOS is brainless, being nearly impossible to not achieve a SOTD porn lather that is thick and traditionally appealing in appearance and feel. Those predisposed to traditional lather would tend to favour it. Further, one would well and truly have to be ham fisted dolt to the point of fearing the potential of donuts to sever limbs to produce a low quality lather using it. The postshave is amazing under all conditions.

Grooming Dept Kairos SE is a tech marvel by comparison. It will deliver equally amazing results on par with ETHOS but it must be properly lathered. Further, the lather presents thinner and wetter which can test the confidence of those timourous, discouraging the experimentation necessary to fully develop its greatness.

Being a motorsports person, an alternative description would be the difference between ETHOS and Grooming Dept is similar to the difference between a Grand Touring race car and a modern aero dependent formula race car. The former can be driven hard right from the start by anybody having any driving experience on the street but the latter requires a special person willing to push beyond the initial limits of mechanical traction where the vehicle becomes twitchy until the benefits of aero downforce come into play restabilizing the vehicle.

Those unsure about Grooming Dept Kairos SE,' maka de push' as Italian speaking racers would state and try the combination overnight airing followed by aggressive hydration as is being suggested. You will be glad of it.

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(04-22-2022, 11:34 AM)DanLaw Wrote: Owe an apology to Grooming Dept and Mo

Have reviewed Kairos SE, Pasion to be specific, finding it to be a top tier soap arising to a returned status of second best base trailing only ETHOS.

Since that time have been reading the reviews of others as well as commentary from Mo. As a result have modified the lathering process by both allowing the soap to dry and breathe overnight prior to lathering, then literally drowning the soap working the lather heavily thereafter.

The results have been a revelation. While the slickness and post shave were at the top tier of the industry, using the aerating followed by aggressive hydrating procedure yielded incredibly improved results and, much to my surprise, increased cushion.

Clearly Kairos SE is far better than I had reviewed once my head had wrapped around its unique qualities and requirements.

To be fair, must state that Kairos SE and the base ETHOS soaps really are neck and neck in performance. However, that is NOT to state one can switch between the two seamlessly: they are world's apart in their physical qualities.

ETHOS is brainless, being nearly impossible to not achieve a SOTD porn lather that is thick and traditionally appealing in appearance and feel. Those predisposed to traditional lather would tend to favour it. Further, one would well and truly have to be ham fisted dolt to the point of fearing the potential of donuts to sever limbs to produce a low quality lather using it. The postshave is amazing under all conditions.

Grooming Dept Kairos SE is a tech marvel by comparison. It will deliver equally amazing results on par with ETHOS but it must be properly lathered. Further, the lather presents thinner and wetter which can test the confidence of those timourous, discouraging the experimentation necessary to fully develop its greatness.

Being a motorsports person, an alternative description would be the difference between ETHOS and Grooming Dept is similar to the difference between a Grand Touring race car and a modern aero dependent formula race car. The former can be driven hard right from the start by anybody having any driving experience on the street but the latter requires a special person willing to push beyond the initial limits of mechanical traction where the vehicle becomes twitchy until the benefits of aero downforce come into play restabilizing the vehicle.

Those unsure about Grooming Dept Kairos SE,' maka de push' as Italian speaking racers would state and try the combination overnight airing followed by aggressive hydration as is being suggested. You will be glad of it.

As the card carrying, ham-fisted dolt that I am, I read your post with some interest--several times. I have been missing most all of the subtleties that you so artfully point out with regard to Kairos SE. I don't air it out. I simply cut some out, smear it in a bowl and lather. It works wonderfully for me and produces a fragrant, exquisite lather, at least to me in my Zen-like trance that I enter while shaving. I am not saying you're wrong. Rather, I think you are aware of subtle things that I haven't noticed heretofore. In my own simpler world, when I am presented with a thinner, wetter lather, I simply adjust without thinking about it much. From here on, I will be more mindful while lathering though I doubt I will ever air it out.

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(04-26-2022, 06:51 PM)Southsider Wrote:
(04-22-2022, 11:34 AM)DanLaw Wrote: Owe an apology to Grooming Dept and Mo

Have reviewed Kairos SE, Pasion to be specific, finding it to be a top tier soap arising to a returned status of second best base trailing only ETHOS.

Since that time have been reading the reviews of others as well as commentary from Mo. As a result have modified the lathering process by both allowing the soap to dry and breathe overnight prior to lathering, then literally drowning the soap working the lather heavily thereafter.

The results have been a revelation. While the slickness and post shave were at the top tier of the industry, using the aerating followed by aggressive hydrating procedure yielded incredibly improved results and, much to my surprise, increased cushion.

Clearly Kairos SE is far better than I had reviewed once my head had wrapped around its unique qualities and requirements.

To be fair, must state that Kairos SE and the base ETHOS soaps really are neck and neck in performance. However, that is NOT to state one can switch between the two seamlessly: they are world's apart in their physical qualities.

ETHOS is brainless, being nearly impossible to not achieve a SOTD porn lather that is thick and traditionally appealing in appearance and feel. Those predisposed to traditional lather would tend to favour it. Further, one would well and truly have to be ham fisted dolt to the point of fearing the potential of donuts to sever limbs to produce a low quality lather using it. The postshave is amazing under all conditions.

Grooming Dept Kairos SE is a tech marvel by comparison. It will deliver equally amazing results on par with ETHOS but it must be properly lathered. Further, the lather presents thinner and wetter which can test the confidence of those timourous, discouraging the experimentation necessary to fully develop its greatness.

Being a motorsports person, an alternative description would be the difference between ETHOS and Grooming Dept is similar to the difference between a Grand Touring race car and a modern aero dependent formula race car. The former can be driven hard right from the start by anybody having any driving experience on the street but the latter requires a special person willing to push beyond the initial limits of mechanical traction where the vehicle becomes twitchy until the benefits of aero downforce come into play restabilizing the vehicle.

Those unsure about Grooming Dept Kairos SE,' maka de push' as Italian speaking racers would state and try the combination overnight airing followed by aggressive hydration as is being suggested. You will be glad of it.

As the card carrying, ham-fisted dolt that I am, I read your post with some interest--several times.  I have been missing most all of the subtleties that you so artfully point out with regard to Kairos SE.  I don't air it out.  I simply cut some out, smear it in a bowl and lather.  It works wonderfully for me and produces a fragrant, exquisite lather, at least to me in my Zen-like trance that I enter while shaving.  I am not saying you're wrong.  Rather, I think you are aware of subtle things that I haven't noticed heretofore.  In my own simpler world, when I am presented with a thinner, wetter lather, I simply adjust without thinking about it much.  From here on, I will be more mindful while lathering though I doubt I will ever air it out.

Now, as a fellow dolt (but lacking the card), I confess I've found Kairos SE to be top tier and I obtain equal (I think better, actually) shaves compared to my ETHOS soaps with it.  Admittedly, Frank keeps tweaking his bases so I may not have tried the very latest and greatest, however.  The differences are fine, however, at this level.  I do intend to try the DanLaw Air & Soak approach but I've now twice forgotten to put out the soap the night before!  Will get there.  At the moment, however, I certainly am enjoying Omnia and Ousia, as in my SOTD today.

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Mohammad, if you were to ever try your hand at a matching EdP, I implore you to make Amore your first release. 

This scent remains to be one of my absolute favorites in all of wetshaving. 
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Mohammad is working on some aftershaves. They probably won't be as strong as EdTs. Like you, I tried talking him into making some of my favorite scents; Amore would be one of them. However, due to supply chain issues and increased costs for fragrance ingredients, he may not be able to repeat some of his older scents. However, I do expect most of the new scents to be just as well blended.

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