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Comparative Shaves: Type M, N, and O injector with a Schick twin blade
Session 1 - Type N vs. Type O
PROLOGUE (or why I am conducting these comparative shaves)
This comparative shave traces its origin to the discovery of the Schick Twin blade. A blade that seemed to receive limited coverage in the forums but has become the standard for my injector shaves. The idea of an additional cutting edge may appear superfluous, but it has proven to transform every injector shave, when compared to utilizing a conventional single injector blade. I sometimes wonder if it is less about the additional edge and more around a perception of increased rigidity. In either case, the Schick Twin, for compatible injector razors, has improved shave comfort and effectiveness.
My initial encounter with the twin blade occurred with the adjustable M injector. Up to that point, the adjustable M was a razor that had been relegated to less frequent use. I found the Canadian E3 overall a more pleasant shaving experience but lacking somewhat in BBS duration. Later a type I delivered favorable results, but I was still curious about the Schick twin blade. After tracking down a relatively affordable source for the twin blades, which command a premium, I launched the inaugural shave with the twin blade and never really looked back. Suddenly the M was in more frequent rotation and the shaves demonstrably improved over the single edge configuration.
And while the upfront price of the twin blades are higher, the per use cost would seem to be as favorable as conventional blades. My single edge use would typically fall off somewhere around the 5-7 range. But the twin blades are delivering as effective shaves with my current record at 11 uses, and hopefully more to come. A wise shaving soap artisan once said to me, “the twin blade doesn’t even start getting good until the 10th shave.”
With an increased appetite for expanded injector choices I had been keeping an eye out for a Type O injector, the last model produced by Schick. Rarely seen or available I was fortunate enough to recently acquire one from a BST lot purchase. Included in that was a Type N. So I now had 3 Schick variants compatible with the twin blade format. Knowing how rare the Type O and its clone are, I set out to determine which of the N and M would offer the closest backup to the Type O. And hence a series of comparative shave reviews for each type, loaded with the Schick twin blade.
SESSION SETUP
RAZOR: Schick N1 Injector (L) / Schick O Injector ®
BLADE: Schick Injector Twin II [8] / Schick Injector Twin II [8]
BRUSH: Wald Nimbus [A1 Bulb]
LATHER: MacDuffs Summer Cabin
POST: Ethos Bergamotto Skin Food Splash
AESTHETICS
Both the type N and O exhibit a more “modern” design aesthetic when considering the full history and time horizon of all Schick injector types. The N communicates an austere and cubic tone. It seems that this razor may have been created with an eye toward functionality and manufacturing costs over ground breaking design elements. I do enjoy the hard design lines of the type N but overall it reads a bit mundane.
On the other hand, the type O is a clear departure from all other injector designs from the Schick line. Full bodied with rubber nubs traversing the handle, it eschews the utilitarian aspects of the type N. The curves and silver body communicates something futuristic but still recognizable against conventional offerings of the era. When loaded into a “sleep” pod for deep interstellar travel, this would likely be the razor accompanying me. However, I can see how the design might be polarizing for those preferring the vintage end of the Schick design spectrum. I appreciate the overall design aesthetic of the O and prefer it to the N type. I do worry about the longevity of the O given what appears to be a multi part/seamed construction and a finish that could wear more readily over time. The copy I received had a blade dummy installed, so I don’t know if it had been used much or at all. It appears in wonderful condition at the moment.
HANDLING
Comparing a couple of key measurements: the N1 weighs in at 33g (with Twin II blade loaded) versus 41g for the O (with Twin II blade loaded), delivering an almost 25% increase over the N1. One of the initial surprises upon receiving the O was the amount of heft it exhibited versus any other injector I have previously used. With much of its mass at the head of the razor, the perception of weight difference is further amplified. However, I see this as a net benefit during the shave. The head of the O seems to hug the face, fully engaged, while the momentum of each stroke effortlessly propels the razor across the beard terrain, always poised for action. This exists in contrast to the N1 that seeks more guidance, where the operator is expected to provide more input for control.
Beyond the weight difference there is clearly a volume difference in the transition from the handle to the injector head. I thought this might interfere in more difficult to access regions, particularly under the nose. But so far I have not encountered any difficulty. The N1 offers a more nimble and agile experience in comparison but shaving outcomes did not seem to benefit from this characteristic. Equally the slightly increased overall length of 133mm for the O, versus 123mm for the N1, provided no perceptible differentiation in handling.
When combining all aspects there is a difficult to fully describe experience with the Type O. It beckons to be retrieved for your shave and commands a sense of robustness that seems prepared for any challenging beard profile. In many ways it reminds of a how quality hand tool can be a pleasure just to hold.
PERFORMANCE
As preparation for today’s side by side shave neared completion, I considered initial thoughts on the distinguishing performance factors between the N1 and O. Having conducted multiple individual shaves with each razor, it seemed relatively apparent what the differences would be, but a more formal side by side session was needed to confirm that intuition. The temperature forecast called for approaching nearly 100F this afternoon so MacDuffs Summer Cabin soap seemed appropriate. MacDuffs has rapidly vaulted to a top position in my shave rotation. And today was no exception with a wonderfully lush and creamy lather that strikes a performant balance between protection and glide. The first pass preparation was applied with the equally compelling Wald A1 knot that seems unusually adept at extracting the most out of every soap.
I reached for the Type O, noting its familiar and confidence inspiring hold. The Type O had seen limited use over the past weeks as I focused on shaving with the Type N, to reach an equivalent blade use count as the Type O’s installed twin blade. Within those initial seconds of the first downward stroke, I was reminded of the satisfying smoothness and comfort of the Type O. It is deceptively efficient but in a most calming fashion. As the remainder of the right side WTG pass was completed, the phrase that kept recurring in the back of my mind: effortless and smooth engagement.
Now ready for the left side WTG, the Type N was in hand. At the outset of the first stroke an apparent difference in smoothness was evident. As I navigated the remaining pass, nothing unpleasant was experienced. But it simply wasn’t as pleasing as the Type O. It’s almost if the Type N offers a slight increase in aggression with a slight reduction in efficiency. And this would become increasingly apparent towards the end of the shave.
But for the moment a second application of comforting lather was applied for the impending WTG pass. Again the Type O was called upon and gracefully traversed all undulations and planes of the beard terrain. It seemed almost oblivious to anything other than delivering a plush reduction of stubble. Switching over to the Type N, the incremental reduction in effectiveness could be detected with a less complete clearing of stubble in more demanding regions. However, the overall lower weight and more balanced distribution of the Type N does create the sense of enhanced agility.
With the WTG pass complete, the most demanding ATG pass was now at hand. At this point the multiple applications of lather and light rinsing had combined to provide a particularly high degree of lubricity. And the Type O was launched into deft and subtle movements across that most sensitive lower neck region. Working its way up the jaw line and cheeks, a particularly satisfying audible crunch of stubble serenaded the final strokes. Even if the most demanding area of the mustache area the O suggested little concern, although vigilance is always required in that zone.
Moving over to the Type N and the left side, the efficiency and effectiveness difference became most pronounced. While much was removed there were clearly more areas remaining that would require a touch up to match the Type O side. And in the process that slight amount of incremental aggression also reared its head on the subsequent cleanup work. This was particularly felt as I applied a healthy dose of Ethos Bergamot Skin Food Splash. A meaningful level of feedback was detected on the neck and jawline for Type N side. Albeit it would likely be less so if chose not to go back for that additional round of touch up.
With six hours elapsed from the earlier shave session, no clear re-growth has occurred. I have achieved relatively long lasting BBS with the injector format, although not quite to the level of some of my highest efficiency razors. However the combination of smoothness and enjoyment is a reasonable compromise on a few extra hours of BBS.
CONCLUSION
It is too early to consider if the Type N or Adjustable M is the most suitable backup for the Type O and Schick Twin II blade combination. But I can also be certain that the Type O is preferred when given a choice between it and the Type N. At the same time, these comments should be taken in balance. I have conducted many shaves with the N and have always experienced solid results. I will now complete a few more individual shaves with the N and O to reach the blade reuse count of my adjustable M. At which point, I will conduct another series of comparative shaves.
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Comparative Shaves: Type M, N, and O injector with a Schick twin blade
Session 1 - Type N vs. Type O
PROLOGUE (or why I am conducting these comparative shaves)
This comparative shave traces its origin to the discovery of the Schick Twin blade. A blade that seemed to receive limited coverage in the forums but has become the standard for my injector shaves. The idea of an additional cutting edge may appear superfluous, but it has proven to transform every injector shave, when compared to utilizing a conventional single injector blade. I sometimes wonder if it is less about the additional edge and more around a perception of increased rigidity. In either case, the Schick Twin, for compatible injector razors, has improved shave comfort and effectiveness.
My initial encounter with the twin blade occurred with the adjustable M injector. Up to that point, the adjustable M was a razor that had been relegated to less frequent use. I found the Canadian E3 overall a more pleasant shaving experience but lacking somewhat in BBS duration. Later a type I delivered favorable results, but I was still curious about the Schick twin blade. After tracking down a relatively affordable source for the twin blades, which command a premium, I launched the inaugural shave with the twin blade and never really looked back. Suddenly the M was in more frequent rotation and the shaves demonstrably improved over the single edge configuration.
And while the upfront price of the twin blades are higher, the per use cost would seem to be as favorable as conventional blades. My single edge use would typically fall off somewhere around the 5-7 range. But the twin blades are delivering as effective shaves with my current record at 11 uses, and hopefully more to come. A wise shaving soap artisan once said to me, “the twin blade doesn’t even start getting good until the 10th shave.”
With an increased appetite for expanded injector choices I had been keeping an eye out for a Type O injector, the last model produced by Schick. Rarely seen or available I was fortunate enough to recently acquire one from a BST lot purchase. Included in that was a Type N. So I now had 3 Schick variants compatible with the twin blade format. Knowing how rare the Type O and its clone are, I set out to determine which of the N and M would offer the closest backup to the Type O. And hence a series of comparative shave reviews for each type, loaded with the Schick twin blade.
SESSION SETUP
RAZOR: Schick N1 Injector (L) / Schick O Injector ®
BLADE: Schick Injector Twin II [8] / Schick Injector Twin II [8]
BRUSH: Wald Nimbus [A1 Bulb]
LATHER: MacDuffs Summer Cabin
POST: Ethos Bergamotto Skin Food Splash
AESTHETICS
Both the type N and O exhibit a more “modern” design aesthetic when considering the full history and time horizon of all Schick injector types. The N communicates an austere and cubic tone. It seems that this razor may have been created with an eye toward functionality and manufacturing costs over ground breaking design elements. I do enjoy the hard design lines of the type N but overall it reads a bit mundane.
On the other hand, the type O is a clear departure from all other injector designs from the Schick line. Full bodied with rubber nubs traversing the handle, it eschews the utilitarian aspects of the type N. The curves and silver body communicates something futuristic but still recognizable against conventional offerings of the era. When loaded into a “sleep” pod for deep interstellar travel, this would likely be the razor accompanying me. However, I can see how the design might be polarizing for those preferring the vintage end of the Schick design spectrum. I appreciate the overall design aesthetic of the O and prefer it to the N type. I do worry about the longevity of the O given what appears to be a multi part/seamed construction and a finish that could wear more readily over time. The copy I received had a blade dummy installed, so I don’t know if it had been used much or at all. It appears in wonderful condition at the moment.
HANDLING
Comparing a couple of key measurements: the N1 weighs in at 33g (with Twin II blade loaded) versus 41g for the O (with Twin II blade loaded), delivering an almost 25% increase over the N1. One of the initial surprises upon receiving the O was the amount of heft it exhibited versus any other injector I have previously used. With much of its mass at the head of the razor, the perception of weight difference is further amplified. However, I see this as a net benefit during the shave. The head of the O seems to hug the face, fully engaged, while the momentum of each stroke effortlessly propels the razor across the beard terrain, always poised for action. This exists in contrast to the N1 that seeks more guidance, where the operator is expected to provide more input for control.
Beyond the weight difference there is clearly a volume difference in the transition from the handle to the injector head. I thought this might interfere in more difficult to access regions, particularly under the nose. But so far I have not encountered any difficulty. The N1 offers a more nimble and agile experience in comparison but shaving outcomes did not seem to benefit from this characteristic. Equally the slightly increased overall length of 133mm for the O, versus 123mm for the N1, provided no perceptible differentiation in handling.
When combining all aspects there is a difficult to fully describe experience with the Type O. It beckons to be retrieved for your shave and commands a sense of robustness that seems prepared for any challenging beard profile. In many ways it reminds of a how quality hand tool can be a pleasure just to hold.
PERFORMANCE
As preparation for today’s side by side shave neared completion, I considered initial thoughts on the distinguishing performance factors between the N1 and O. Having conducted multiple individual shaves with each razor, it seemed relatively apparent what the differences would be, but a more formal side by side session was needed to confirm that intuition. The temperature forecast called for approaching nearly 100F this afternoon so MacDuffs Summer Cabin soap seemed appropriate. MacDuffs has rapidly vaulted to a top position in my shave rotation. And today was no exception with a wonderfully lush and creamy lather that strikes a performant balance between protection and glide. The first pass preparation was applied with the equally compelling Wald A1 knot that seems unusually adept at extracting the most out of every soap.
I reached for the Type O, noting its familiar and confidence inspiring hold. The Type O had seen limited use over the past weeks as I focused on shaving with the Type N, to reach an equivalent blade use count as the Type O’s installed twin blade. Within those initial seconds of the first downward stroke, I was reminded of the satisfying smoothness and comfort of the Type O. It is deceptively efficient but in a most calming fashion. As the remainder of the right side WTG pass was completed, the phrase that kept recurring in the back of my mind: effortless and smooth engagement.
Now ready for the left side WTG, the Type N was in hand. At the outset of the first stroke an apparent difference in smoothness was evident. As I navigated the remaining pass, nothing unpleasant was experienced. But it simply wasn’t as pleasing as the Type O. It’s almost if the Type N offers a slight increase in aggression with a slight reduction in efficiency. And this would become increasingly apparent towards the end of the shave.
But for the moment a second application of comforting lather was applied for the impending WTG pass. Again the Type O was called upon and gracefully traversed all undulations and planes of the beard terrain. It seemed almost oblivious to anything other than delivering a plush reduction of stubble. Switching over to the Type N, the incremental reduction in effectiveness could be detected with a less complete clearing of stubble in more demanding regions. However, the overall lower weight and more balanced distribution of the Type N does create the sense of enhanced agility.
With the WTG pass complete, the most demanding ATG pass was now at hand. At this point the multiple applications of lather and light rinsing had combined to provide a particularly high degree of lubricity. And the Type O was launched into deft and subtle movements across that most sensitive lower neck region. Working its way up the jaw line and cheeks, a particularly satisfying audible crunch of stubble serenaded the final strokes. Even if the most demanding area of the mustache area the O suggested little concern, although vigilance is always required in that zone.
Moving over to the Type N and the left side, the efficiency and effectiveness difference became most pronounced. While much was removed there were clearly more areas remaining that would require a touch up to match the Type O side. And in the process that slight amount of incremental aggression also reared its head on the subsequent cleanup work. This was particularly felt as I applied a healthy dose of Ethos Bergamot Skin Food Splash. A meaningful level of feedback was detected on the neck and jawline for Type N side. Albeit it would likely be less so if chose not to go back for that additional round of touch up.
With six hours elapsed from the earlier shave session, no clear re-growth has occurred. I have achieved relatively long lasting BBS with the injector format, although not quite to the level of some of my highest efficiency razors. However the combination of smoothness and enjoyment is a reasonable compromise on a few extra hours of BBS.
CONCLUSION
It is too early to consider if the Type N or Adjustable M is the most suitable backup for the Type O and Schick Twin II blade combination. But I can also be certain that the Type O is preferred when given a choice between it and the Type N. At the same time, these comments should be taken in balance. I have conducted many shaves with the N and have always experienced solid results. I will now complete a few more individual shaves with the N and O to reach the blade reuse count of my adjustable M. At which point, I will conduct another series of comparative shaves.
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When I use my L-Model Injector I don't need a shave for 2-3 day's, and no irritation. After the L-Model the newer Injectors seemed to be milder shaving razors. The G-Model is still a favorite of mine, and the E-Model can cause me some razor burn if used daily since it's more aggressive.
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(09-07-2023, 11:16 AM)chevyguy Wrote: When I use my L-Model Injector I don't need a shave for 2-3 day's, and no irritation. After the L-Model the newer Injectors seemed to be milder shaving razors. The G-Model is still a favorite of mine, and the E-Model can cause me some razor burn if used daily since it's more aggressive.Interesting. That pretty much sums up the current state of my (thriving) relationship with vintage Schicks.
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(09-07-2023, 06:10 PM)HighSpeed Wrote:Had I started with an Injector I doubt that I would have picked up a DE razor. The shave is just smoother, and more comfortable. The blades last longer too.(09-07-2023, 11:16 AM)chevyguy Wrote: When I use my L-Model Injector I don't need a shave for 2-3 day's, and no irritation. After the L-Model the newer Injectors seemed to be milder shaving razors. The G-Model is still a favorite of mine, and the E-Model can cause me some razor burn if used daily since it's more aggressive.Interesting. That pretty much sums up the current state of my (thriving) relationship with vintage Schicks.
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rocket thanks for the in-depth review. This is one of the best I've read, if not THE best. Subscribed!
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--Rush, "Virtuality"
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(09-12-2023, 09:43 PM)MaineYooper Wrote: rocket thanks for the in-depth review. This is one of the best I've read, if not THE best. Subscribed!
Thank you for the kind words! With a number of pass arounds occurring, I haven't had a chance to return to the side by side with all variants. But those injectors are patiently waiting for me once I finish everything.
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(This post was last modified: 09-13-2023, 03:20 AM by ErkRusselReserve.)
Fantastic content! I have an L and and N waiting for me and a couple packs on Japan Twin blades. Will be awhile before I can join them though. If you visit Japan or have a friend in Japan, the Twins are rather inexpensive on Amazon JP. If you order a couple packs, international shipping is not too bad either as it gets evened out.
The Yen is weak right now, so they are on sale!
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Schick-Inj...r=8-1&th=1
The Yen is weak right now, so they are on sale!
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Schick-Inj...r=8-1&th=1
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(02-02-2024, 04:05 AM)ErkRusselReserve Wrote: How would you increase the weight of the N? I have used it a few times and miss the heft of heavier razors.
I'm not sure much could be done given the integrated nature of the N razor. I have seen some vintage injector razors with modified handles. Not sure if the more modern N would lend itself to that type of modification. Even then, it feels like the balance would be off if you tried to increase the weight in the handle alone. You may already be considering it, but a Type O might be the best alternative given its increased mass. The type M does offer a bit more weight as well, but the balance isn't there for me, when compared to the type O.
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