Blackland new SE razor.

How a DE blade is curved/twisted, supported on its baseplate, clamping distance, cap span, all matter greatly in DE design but very little in SE/injector/AC design. You know this. It's why you can stick a Gem in a Wilkinson Empire or C.V. Heljestrand which don't clamp at all ir even support on top or bottom and get a great shave (as you can in the DeHaven with an AC blade).

Not saying the frame doesn't make a difference...the Supply design definitely felt way different than my Schick injectors..but it shaved no more effectively and truthfully I hated the lack of feedback. Ditto the three AC razors I owned all felt different, primarily a function of exposure/gap/angle.

We will just agree to disagree.

Be assured if there's a pass around I'll be the first to sign up, always open to pleasant surprises.

Not my experience, nor does it even make logical sense. SE razors hold the blade, they don't manipulate it to increase rigidity as DE razors do. Obviously angle, clamping, gap, and exposure can impact the shave but that's pretty much it.  Unless I'm missing something with what is being done here.

So maybe what I disagree with is that I think DE heads are just blade holders, too. The only difference is the curvature of the blade. But once that’s been taken into account they are the same. The curve creates that rigidity so once it’s curved you can sort of treat a DE like a rigid SE blade. It requires a little bit of extra math, but the differences in design aren’t as dramatic as I think you are suggesting.

It's a nice frame but a nice frame on a SE razor doesn't make the shave as it does with a thin DE blade. There's just no way around this fundamental design aspect . I'm sure Shane has done a great job with this I but I don't expect anybody to be wowed by the shave of one AC razor vs another, other than issues like maneuverability and balance.

So, it’s a first review that seems kind of ho-hum. States that it’s a mid-aggressive feeling razor. Doesn’t really touch much else on shave feel but, at least it seems that it’s not a mild razor. Not much info to go by. I hate YT vids some times, it’s either extremely underwhelming or overly hyped. One is going to have to find out for oneself. Besides, Blackland has a 30 day try and drive. Nothing to lose there. I’m still in.....

https://youtu.be/t5qxrRfIfv4

With a due respect, what in the name of God are you talking about? Have you even used more than one SE AC razor? I’ve used more than six and they all feel completely different. I’ve tried Mongoose II, razorock Hawk aluminum and SS, general aluminum, general brass, ATT SE1, and the blackland Vector. Quite frankly, this is the only SE AC razor that has actually wowed me. I would definitely recommend giving this one a try as you might be pleasantly surprised.


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I didn’t get your post. I was not down playing the razor itself. My comments were geared towards the video review itself as there was barely any info/comparison review wise to give one a sense to other razors. Not that it’s necessary but, it gives one an idea and puts you somewhere in the ballpark. I’m still in on acquiring the Vector regardless. A little sharp zealousness there I perceived. Maybe too much coffee this morning??

https://youtu.be/ejj3_SqQBgU

Great review. Ruds and I have similar approach to our head shaves and were similarly dissatisfied with other AC razors so his take is pretty persuasive.

https://youtu.be/ejj3_SqQBgU

It's a nice frame but a nice frame on a SE razor doesn't make the shave as it does with a thin DE blade. There's just no way around this fundamental design aspect . I'm sure Shane has done a great job with this I but I don't expect anybody to be wowed by the shave of one AC razor vs another, other than issues like maneuverability and  balance.

With a due respect, what in the name of God are you talking about? Have you even used more than one SE AC razor? I’ve used more than six and they all feel completely different. I’ve tried Mongoose II, razorock Hawk aluminum and SS, general aluminum, general brass, ATT SE1, and the blackland Vector. Quite frankly, this is the only SE AC razor that has actually wowed me. I would definitely recommend giving this one a try as you might be pleasantly surprised.


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I didn’t get your post. I was not down playing the razor itself. My comments were geared towards the video review itself as there was barely any info/comparison review wise to give one a sense to other razors. Not that it’s necessary but, it gives one an idea and puts you somewhere in the ballpark. I’m still in on acquiring the Vector regardless. A little sharp zealousness there I perceived. Maybe too much coffee this morning??

I could be wrong but I think drdeemanda's reply was to jmudrick ?

Anywho. I've owned two SEs - the ATT SE1 and The General aluminum. I no longer have the ATT SE1 because The General shaves better. Looking forward to trying the Vector.

If you think all SE razors are basically the same, I don’t understand the incentive to post in this thread.

I also don’t get the conflicting complaints that a particular YouTube video didn’t give a strong enough opinion, yet YouTube videos in general are bad due to hyperbole.

It seems like this razor is getting positive reviews. There will always be people whose preferences are different (which is completely valid), but it’s nice to see a novel design.

https://youtu.be/ejj3_SqQBgU

Now that’s a review. Very well done by Rudd’s....

If you think all SE razors are basically the same, I don’t understand the incentive to post in this thread.

I also don’t get the conflicting complaints that a particular YouTube video didn’t give a strong enough opinion, yet YouTube videos in general are bad due to hyperbole.

It seems like this razor is getting positive reviews. There will always be people whose preferences are different (which is completely valid), but it’s nice to see a novel design.

I thought the first video review above was a positive review and not "ho hum".

I'd be happy to try one in a pass around. I owned three AC razors -- General, Hawk , and El Jefe -- and found I enjoyed the shave more when I trimmed the AC blades and used them in my vintage Mark Cross and DeHaven razors. And I get an equally good shave from my $15 MMOC.

It's a nice frame but a nice frame on a SE razor doesn't make the shave as it does with a thin DE blade. There's just no way around this fundamental design aspect . I'm sure Shane has done a great job with this I but I don't expect anybody to be wowed by the shave of one AC razor vs another, other than issues like maneuverability and  balance.

With a due respect, what in the name of God are you talking about? Have you even used more than one SE AC razor? I’ve used more than six and they all feel completely different. I’ve tried Mongoose II, razorock Hawk aluminum and SS, general aluminum, general brass, ATT SE1, and the blackland Vector. Quite frankly, this is the only SE AC razor that has actually wowed me. I would definitely recommend giving this one a try as you might be pleasantly surprised.


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Looking back and re-reading my comment, I sounded like a jerk but that wasn't the intent. I owe you an apology. Each of the razors that I've listed all felt very unique in terms of how they shaved and I couldn't understand how someone couldn't have had the same experience that I did. Very wrong of me to think this way. So very wrong of me. This is precisely why many of us add "YMMV" to posts.

Hey no worries, I come off as a jerk frequently enough I'm not gonna get bent out of shape :-)

I'd be happy to try one in a pass around. I owned three AC razors -- General, Hawk , and El Jefe -- and found I enjoyed the shave more when I trimmed the AC blades and used them in my vintage Mark Cross and DeHaven razors. And I get an equally good shave from my $15 MMOC.

With a due respect, what in the name of God are you talking about? Have you even used more than one SE AC razor? I’ve used more than six and they all feel completely different. I’ve tried Mongoose II, razorock Hawk aluminum and SS, general aluminum, general brass, ATT SE1, and the blackland Vector. Quite frankly, this is the only SE AC razor that has actually wowed me. I would definitely recommend giving this one a try as you might be pleasantly surprised.


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Looking back and re-reading my comment, I sounded like a jerk but that wasn't the intent. I owe you an apology. Each of the razors that I've listed all felt very unique in terms of how they shaved and I couldn't understand how someone couldn't have had the same experience that I did. Very wrong of me to think this way. So very wrong of me. This is precisely why many of us add "YMMV" to posts.