Artisans without Lanolin?

Regarding the original question, there are lots without lanolin.

Dr. Jon's
Soap Commander
Catie's Bubbles
Turtleship
Henri et Victoria
Chiseled Face
Storybook Soapworks
Blackship Grooming
Saponificio Varesino
Wet Shaving Products (both Formula T and Rustic)
Oleo Soapworks
Phoenix Artisan Accoutrements
Reef Point
Cold River Soapworks Glide
Barrister and Mann Reserve

Crowne & Crane. I picked some up recently & am really liking it. Extremely fatty. Love the Tobacco & Amber scent.

...oh and that ridiculously awesome soap from Eleven is also lanolin free!  

Oh, have you taken it out again Eleven ? I'd actually been a bit hesitant about re-stocking once my two tubs of SdP V1 ran out. Superstition, mostly; I've only tried a couple soaps with lanolin & both gave me zits, but as they were tallow (& I have much more experience with acne from tallow) that's the more likely culprit...

Ok Mr. Gentleman,
I had threads shut down from your nagging about it, just because I asked questions like "do you like the waxy film left on your face from lanolin?"

You could have just not said anything and actually let people reply instead of hampering open conversation.

Like I said, it sounds like a weird religion, this lanolin thing... No one is allowed to call out the stupidity of it without the followers getting their panties in a knot.

Nero, the former threads about lanolin were most definitely not closed down because of anyone "nagging" about it.  The topic of lanolin and allergic reactions is an important one to discuss, especially in the wet shaving world.  However, your constant insulting, badgering, my way or the highway posts are what have forced the closure of at least two threads on the subject.  Make no mistake, you do not discuss the subject.  Rather, you demand that people think as you do and if they don't you become argumentative and belligerent.  I do not understand why you cannot manage a civil discourse on a subject that others, as well as you, have brought up.  

The topic of lanolin will not go away, nor should it.  Whether or not you remain a part of the discussion is completely up to you.

So let me get this right...as long as you don't complain about lanolin (aka... paying attention enough to make personal observation, and using your brain to connect the dots), it's all good?

And continuing a lie is all good?

Making new observations is evil?

I'm glad Christopher Columbus wasn't part of this forum, or we'd still be living on "flat Earth".

Actually, Columbus was about 2,000 years too late to disprove the flat earth theory. Eratosthenes did that seventeen hundred years before Columbus.


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Crowne & Crane. I picked some up recently & am really liking it. Extremely fatty. Love the Tobacco & Amber scent.

Crowne and & Crane sounds like a winner, thanks for that, it was totally off my radar till now.

HMan One thing I would suggest is to try some samples first. It sounds like you are in Helsinki, so I’m not sure if this is possible. Maggard Razors offers a lot of samples.

Also, Fitjar is relatively close (Norway), and they offer a sample pack of their creams. They are mild and might agree with you. Good luck!

The incidence of lanolin issues is NOT 10 in 1 million.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23665833


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dominicr, I don't think your observation is correct based on the study your referenced, which looked primarily at lanolin alcohol and various products containing lanolin which weren't identified, though didn't test lanolin by itself. Most shaving soap makers likely superfat with lanolin and I think, though can't say for sure, that is remains as lanolin when used by shavers. Keep in mind that shaving soap is much simpler than most cosmetic products. Also, this study looked at 286 participants, which isn't that many. I saw this study and wasn't comfortable with it for that reason. Lanolin alcohol is made from lanolin, but is not lanolin.

Here is the study I quoted. https://owndoc.com/pdf/lanolin-allergy.pdf

This study was specifically designed to look at lanolin allergies in the population as a whole and uses much more data.

Unfortunately most of the papers are behind paywalls, but this is at least interesting -

Dermatology. 1996;192(3):198-202.
The lanolin paradox.
Wolf R1.
Author information
Abstract
Several puzzling aspects of the use of lanolin are discussed as "lanolin paradoxes', in analogy with the 'paraben paradoxes'. Lanolin in topical therapeutic agents sensitizes a high proportion of patients, whereas the same lanolin is 'safe' in cosmetics so widely used by millions of individuals. Patients with an allergic contact dermatitis to lanolin in a medication applied to a stasis ulcer can nevertheless use lanolin-containing cosmetics and not experience a reaction. Lanolin-sensitive individuals often show false-negative patch test reactions to unaltered lanolin. Patch testing with 30% wool wax alcohols used in the standard patch test tray cannot be considered a reliable method for detecting and confirming lanolin allergies. There are too many false-positive and false-negative results using the standard patch test tray.


From digging around it seems one theory is this is because of the different uses, on healthy vs compromised skin. On compromised skin lanolin tolerance goes down. At least that's the best I can make of it. In any case it doesn't seem like the research is unanimous.

Keep the thread open. Fun reading and a few educational posts. Always nice to learn about Eratosthenes.

Being knowledgeable of what shaving soap ingredients can cause a rash or harmful to the skin is useful Always enlightening to read the logic of artisans and their products. I even enjoy an occasional scientific article. However, after 4 pages of posts, still not ............

Most sailors knew that the world was round way before anyone thought to write it down. It was obvious to them and I doubt they felt the need to actively think about it. They just sailed.

Using correlation is a standard scientific technique. HMan noticed a trend, isolated a possible cause and came up with a way to circumvent that possible cause. As people have stated, there are a lot of soaps that don't have lanolin. It's pretty easy to avoid. Is lanolin necessarily the cause of his reaction? No....but it doesn't matter (though it certainly could be the cause). If he can avoid the reaction by avoiding lanolin, then that works.

Personally, I've had a few reactions to soap and lanolin hasn't been the common denominator. I put it down to fragrance....based on no evidence at all. I just stopped using those soaps and moved on to other things. I wasn't motivated to try and identify just what was the cause. It's a complex mixture of variables and identifying a specific cause is not always easy (or necessary).

I suppose someone could get scientific about it if they're having problems with certain soaps that contain lanolin - you could list all of the ingredients of every soap you have including the ones that cause a reaction or irritation and then cross reference the ingredients to see if there is a common ingredient in the irritating soaps that isn't in the non-irritating soaps. It might be a problem if some ingredients are referred to generically such as "fragrance oil" or "essential oil" because not all fragrance/essential oils will be chemically the same and some could cause a reaction and others not. You'd need to know which oils were used for this experiment to work.