2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

Very nice job of it. (With the Loctite.)

I have on order a RSMC. I ordered it a month or so ago, and, of course, paid for it. I was told it will be sent to me in January which is fine with me. I assume it will also be made in January.

I've not actually seen a real photo of the upcoming 2022 Sailor. I've seen what's on the Bullgoose site (and sold out even though it's a preorder) as a 2022 sailor, but have no idea whether that is a photo of the actual production razor or what. I've read nothing about how the 2022 will differ from the 2021 Sailor and from the 2021 RSMC.

Anybody know?

Also, will my RSMC be a 2021 RSMC or a 2022 RSMC and will they be the same or different?

Not that it matters hugely but I'm interested in these subtle and/or perhaps very meaningful distinctions and "asking for a friend."

Happy shaves,

Jim

Very nice job of it. (With the Loctite.)

I have on order a RSMC. I ordered it a month or so ago, and, of course, paid for it. I was told it will be sent to me in January which is fine with me. I assume it will also be made in January.

I've not actually seen a real photo of the upcoming 2022 Sailor. I've seen what's on the Bullgoose site (and sold out even though it's a preorder) as a 2022 sailor, but have no idea whether that is a photo of the actual production razor or what. I've read nothing about how the 2022 will differ from the 2021 Sailor and from the 2021 RSMC.

Anybody know?

Also, will my RSMC be a 2021 RSMC or a 2022 RSMC and will they be the same or different?

Not that it matters hugely but I'm interested in these subtle and/or perhaps very meaningful distinctions and "asking for a friend."

Happy shaves,

Jim

Thanks!  AFAIK, the 2021 MC is the only "Master Collection" Sailor, with a limited production run of 50 - it comes with the medallion and a stand.  If you ordered an "MC," that's what you'll get.  Also a price difference - the MC is $690 USD and the 2022 is about $500.  The 2022 is a "2022 Sailor," which also as far as I know doesn't come with a stand, has a brass adjustment ring instead of gold plate or stainless as on the MC and 2021 respectively, and I've heard has the standard 2021 handle which is hollow and fits a post (I ordered one from Phil and when it gets delivered will post a pic).  Some delay in the preorder apparently, since I haven't heard anything from Bullgoose since they announced an expected delivery last Friday, but hopefully will arrive before the end of the year.

My 2020 got a turn this morning, thanks again LOOT.

So I just got my 2022 Rocnel Sailor from Bullgoose. I'm a little confused on how to operate it, if you gents would be so kind. 

The "starting point" on the dial, where I can't tighten it anymore, is between 2 and 3, but closer to 2, not quite in the middle. This is how I received it. Is this normal? I thought it would be on 1 or the dot. Side note - He no longer has a feather blade pre-loaded into these. 

Obviously I'll never go full blown aggressive to the max, but you basically just keep loosening it, right? Until the head actually comes loose, then you've gone too far? 

I adjusted it to 5 and there is flex when you press down on the top cap. Maybe not flex, but almost like a spring motion down. I'm assuming this is normal?

Lastly, I read on here to make sure the top cap is on correctly, I believe that means the Rocnel on the top should face away from you when you have the sailor facing you, right? Mine came with the Rocnel and Sailor both "readable" or facing the same way, I guess you could say? I assume this is also correct and he changed it, thank goodness!! but is there a way to verify it based on how it looks or anything? 

Thank you all soooo much! Can't wait to shave with it tomorrow.

So I just got my 2022 Rocnel Sailor from Bullgoose. I'm a little confused on how to operate it, if you gents would be so kind. 

The "starting point" on the dial, where I can't tighten it anymore, is between 2 and 3, but closer to 2, not quite in the middle. This is how I received it. Is this normal? I thought it would be on 1 or the dot. Side note - He no longer has a feather blade pre-loaded into these. 

Obviously I'll never go full blown aggressive to the max, but you basically just keep loosening it, right? Until the head actually comes loose, then you've gone too far? 

I adjusted it to 5 and there is flex when you press down on the top cap. Maybe not flex, but almost like a spring motion down. I'm assuming this is normal?
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Lastly, I read on here to make sure the top cap is on correctly, I believe that means the Rocnel on the top should face away from you when you have the sailor facing you, right? Mine came with the Rocnel and Sailor both "readable" or facing the same way, I guess you could say? I assume this is also correct and he changed it, thank goodness!! but is there a way to verify it based on how it looks or anything? 

Thank you all soooo much! Can't wait to shave with it tomorrow.

The adjustment dial should have the baseline dot aligned with the center of the raised knob on the handle (or close) fully tightened with a blade inserted. Without a blade, it's likely to be off as much as a full number or more.  The higher the number, the larger the gap and the more aggressive the shave - and yes, you can adjust through several (2 or 3) turns of the dial.  You load the blade by fully loosening the cap (beyond this 2 or 3 turns until the cap comes off), then placing the cap back with a blade (being careful not to cross-thread) and retightening to the zero mark (dot), then adjusting to your desired setting.  

There should be flex when the cap is depressed - there are 2 springs in the razor head that cushion the cap (captured in the two holes visible in the baseplate on either side of the center hole for the cap post). The "Rocnel" logo should be facing away from the raised knob on the handle (which is on the same side as the "Sailor") - so "Rocnel" and "Sailor" are actually facing in opposite directions with the cap correctly oriented - at least on the 2021 model (I don’t have the 2022 yet), and the raised knob and "Sailor" are on what I call the "back" of the razor.  You can tell if the cap is correctly aligned if the adjustment dial is on 0 with the cap tightened and a blade inserted.  If it isn't, you'll see the discrepancy you mentioned with the adjustment numbers being "off," even with a blade in.

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So I just got my 2022 Rocnel Sailor from Bullgoose. I'm a little confused on how to operate it, if you gents would be so kind. 

The "starting point" on the dial, where I can't tighten it anymore, is between 2 and 3, but closer to 2, not quite in the middle. This is how I received it. Is this normal? I thought it would be on 1 or the dot. Side note - He no longer has a feather blade pre-loaded into these. 

Obviously I'll never go full blown aggressive to the max, but you basically just keep loosening it, right? Until the head actually comes loose, then you've gone too far? 

I adjusted it to 5 and there is flex when you press down on the top cap. Maybe not flex, but almost like a spring motion down. I'm assuming this is normal?
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Lastly, I read on here to make sure the top cap is on correctly, I believe that means the Rocnel on the top should face away from you when you have the sailor facing you, right? Mine came with the Rocnel and Sailor both "readable" or facing the same way, I guess you could say? I assume this is also correct and he changed it, thank goodness!! but is there a way to verify it based on how it looks or anything? 

Thank you all soooo much! Can't wait to shave with it tomorrow.

The adjustment dial should have the baseline dot aligned with the center of the raised knob on the handle (or close) fully tightened with a blade inserted. Without a blade, it's likely to be off as much as a full number or more.  The higher the number, the larger the gap and the more aggressive the shave - and yes, you can adjust through several (2 or 3) turns of the dial.  You load the blade by fully loosening the cap (beyond this 2 or 3 turns until the cap comes off), then placing the cap back with a blade (being careful not to cross-thread) and retightening to the zero mark (dot), then adjusting to your desired setting.  

There should be flex when the cap is depressed - there are 2 springs in the razor head that cushion the cap (captured in the two holes visible in the baseplate on either side of the center hole for the cap post). The "Rocnel" logo should be facing away from the raised knob on the handle (which is on the same side as the "Sailor") - so "Rocnel" and "Sailor" are actually facing in opposite directions with the cap correctly oriented - at least on the 2021 model (I don’t have the 2022 yet), and the raised knob and "Sailor" are on what I call the "back" of the razor.  You can tell if the cap is correctly aligned if the adjustment dial is on 0 with the cap tightened and a blade inserted.  If it isn't, you'll see the discrepancy you mentioned with the adjustment numbers being "off," even with a blade in.

Fantastic reply! Thank you so much. This was all done at the office where I do not have a blade to insert. I'll give it a go when I get home. I'm guessing he may have changed the alignment since the razor arrived with both "Rocnel" and "Sailor" facing the same direction. Or whomever inspected it, accidentally put it on the wrong way. Actually, upon further inspection, when it arrived and the logos were facing the same direction, it was at a little over 2, which is pretty far from the baseline dot. When I just switched the top cap so they're opposite, the "correct" way, the dial is now at just to the right of 5, so less than 1 full number away from the baseline dot, I'm thinking this may be the correct orientation still as, by your approximation, without a blade is can be off almost a full number, but over 2 numbers off, I am doubtful a blade will correct that. Hopefully mine is the outlier, if it was shipped incorrectly, so other people aren't as confused as myself or end up using it wrong entirely. You would think he would have them align, as I think most people that don't read the forums would guess that is the correct way, not putting two and two together that with the blade inserted the baseline dot isn't lining up properly. Thank you again!

So I just got my 2022 Rocnel Sailor from Bullgoose. I'm a little confused on how to operate it, if you gents would be so kind. 

The "starting point" on the dial, where I can't tighten it anymore, is between 2 and 3, but closer to 2, not quite in the middle. This is how I received it. Is this normal? I thought it would be on 1 or the dot. Side note - He no longer has a feather blade pre-loaded into these. 

Obviously I'll never go full blown aggressive to the max, but you basically just keep loosening it, right? Until the head actually comes loose, then you've gone too far? 

I adjusted it to 5 and there is flex when you press down on the top cap. Maybe not flex, but almost like a spring motion down. I'm assuming this is normal?
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Lastly, I read on here to make sure the top cap is on correctly, I believe that means the Rocnel on the top should face away from you when you have the sailor facing you, right? Mine came with the Rocnel and Sailor both "readable" or facing the same way, I guess you could say? I assume this is also correct and he changed it, thank goodness!! but is there a way to verify it based on how it looks or anything? 

Thank you all soooo much! Can't wait to shave with it tomorrow.

The adjustment dial should have the baseline dot aligned with the center of the raised knob on the handle (or close) fully tightened with a blade inserted. Without a blade, it's likely to be off as much as a full number or more.  The higher the number, the larger the gap and the more aggressive the shave - and yes, you can adjust through several (2 or 3) turns of the dial.  You load the blade by fully loosening the cap (beyond this 2 or 3 turns until the cap comes off), then placing the cap back with a blade (being careful not to cross-thread) and retightening to the zero mark (dot), then adjusting to your desired setting.  

There should be flex when the cap is depressed - there are 2 springs in the razor head that cushion the cap (captured in the two holes visible in the baseplate on either side of the center hole for the cap post). The "Rocnel" logo should be facing away from the raised knob on the handle (which is on the same side as the "Sailor") - so "Rocnel" and "Sailor" are actually facing in opposite directions with the cap correctly oriented - at least on the 2021 model (I don’t have the 2022 yet), and the raised knob and "Sailor" are on what I call the "back" of the razor.  You can tell if the cap is correctly aligned if the adjustment dial is on 0 with the cap tightened and a blade inserted.  If it isn't, you'll see the discrepancy you mentioned with the adjustment numbers being "off," even with a blade in.

Fantastic reply! Thank you so much. This was all done at the office where I do not have a blade to insert. I'll give it a go when I get home. I'm guessing he may have changed the alignment since the razor arrived with both "Rocnel" and "Sailor" facing the same direction. Or whomever inspected it, accidentally put it on the wrong way. Actually, upon further inspection, when it arrived and the logos were facing the same direction, it was at a little over 2, which is pretty far from the baseline dot. When I just switched the top cap so they're opposite, the "correct" way, the dial is now at just to the right of 5, so less than 1 full number away from the baseline dot, I'm thinking this may be the correct orientation still as, by your approximation, without a blade is can be off almost a full number, but over 2 numbers off, I am doubtful a blade will correct that. Hopefully mine is the outlier, if it was shipped incorrectly, so other people aren't as confused as myself or end up using it wrong entirely. You would think he would have them align, as I think most people that don't read the forums would guess that is the correct way, not putting two and two together that with the blade inserted the baseline dot isn't lining up properly. Thank you again!

You're very welcome!    I added a couple of photos to demonstrate, and I'm guessing since Murat hasn't changed the orientation in any of the other previous iterations of the Sailor AFAIK, he hasn't changed on this one.  Forum is a great place since I haven't seen or heard of any instructions with the razors and we're all more or less learning by doing!  Should get my 2022 this week and will verify - enjoy the shaves!  If you haven't used a Rocnel before I think you'll be very impressed....

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You're very welcome!    I added a couple of photos to demonstrate, and I'm guessing since Murat hasn't changed the orientation in any of the other previous iterations of the Sailor AFAIK, he hasn't changed on this one.  Forum is a great place since I haven't seen or heard of any instructions with the razors and we're all more or less learning by doing!  Should get my 2022 this week and will verify - enjoy the shaves!  If you haven't used a Rocnel before I think you'll be very impressed....
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You're right, by standard practice the cap orientation as you mentioned has always been the same for all the recent iterations of the Sailor (perhaps for all the releases thus far).

One can however, request a custom cap to be aligned the opposite way so that both the 'Rocnel' etching and 'Sailor' etching are facing the same direction. As far as I know, I might be the only one so far that has this option out there. This is for my 2020 Sailor when I requested a second top cap that is finished in satin, whereas my original cap is high polished.

I'm going to try to capture it on a couple of pics when I get the chance later on.

Very tricky trying to get the focus right on the camera. This is the best I could do. The razor is also loaded with a blade:

So I just got my 2022 Rocnel Sailor from Bullgoose. I'm a little confused on how to operate it, if you gents would be so kind. 

The "starting point" on the dial, where I can't tighten it anymore, is between 2 and 3, but closer to 2, not quite in the middle. This is how I received it. Is this normal? I thought it would be on 1 or the dot. Side note - He no longer has a feather blade pre-loaded into these. 

Obviously I'll never go full blown aggressive to the max, but you basically just keep loosening it, right? Until the head actually comes loose, then you've gone too far? 

I adjusted it to 5 and there is flex when you press down on the top cap. Maybe not flex, but almost like a spring motion down. I'm assuming this is normal?
with
Lastly, I read on here to make sure the top cap is on correctly, I believe that means the Rocnel on the top should face away from you when you have the sailor facing you, right? Mine came with the Rocnel and Sailor both "readable" or facing the same way, I guess you could say? I assume this is also correct and he changed it, thank goodness!! but is there a way to verify it based on how it looks or anything? 

Thank you all soooo much! Can't wait to shave with it tomorrow.

The adjustment dial should have the baseline dot aligned with the center of the raised knob on the handle (or close) fully tightened with a blade inserted. Without a blade, it's likely to be off as much as a full number or more.  The higher the number, the larger the gap and the more aggressive the shave - and yes, you can adjust through several (2 or 3) turns of the dial.  You load the blade by fully loosening the cap (beyond this 2 or 3 turns until the cap comes off), then placing the cap back with a blade (being careful not to cross-thread) and retightening to the zero mark (dot), then adjusting to your desired setting.  

There should be flex when the cap is depressed - there are 2 springs in the razor head that cushion the cap (captured in the two holes visible in the baseplate on either side of the center hole for the cap post). The "Rocnel" logo should be facing away from the raised knob on the handle (which is on the same side as the "Sailor") - so "Rocnel" and "Sailor" are actually facing in opposite directions with the cap correctly oriented - at least on the 2021 model (I don’t have the 2022 yet), and the raised knob and "Sailor" are on what I call the "back" of the razor.  You can tell if the cap is correctly aligned if the adjustment dial is on 0 with the cap tightened and a blade inserted.  If it isn't, you'll see the discrepancy you mentioned with the adjustment numbers being "off," even with a blade in.

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Incorrect:

I didn't understand the cap orientation until I saw your picture. I always thought it was backwards but now, im thinking it is correct, so it presents properly when picture as you demonstrated.

It makes sense to me now at least...took a while, but I'm comfy now. Thanks.