2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

Im going to go out on a limb and predict that the Ti version of this razor won't happen
at all.

Why, you may ask? And where is your data and peer reviewed paper to back this up?

So, here we have a SS master collection model that costs $700. Which is already
stratospheric....never mind the argument that you are actually getting 10-15 razors in one.
Most people find maybe one/two/three settings and stick with them... is what I've noticed.

Just spitballing now....if he were to release Ti, the price is going to climb by at least
a third, going by the usual relationship between SS and Ti prices.

Of course there will be the usual 10 fans who will get one no matter what the sticker
price says. But I just cannot see too many other takers. I myself would baulk at anything
north of $750.

Feel free to sling your brickbats, I am ready hehe.

I believe Murat said Ti would be same price Tester28 … that said plans could change…

I believe Murat said Ti would be same price Tester28 … that said plans could change…

That's what I was told also, titanium would be the same price.

That settles it then. We won’t know until we know, no sense trying to spark some controversy.

And damn, this sailor 2021 fellow sure is amazing. Hard to pick up my other razors.

This is just my opinion here but at this point I'm wondering what the incentive for Murat to even release a Ti version is? Since he said he was going to do a Ti version he is now releasing the 3rd version in SS and people are snatching them up like its the last one he's gonna do so again I ask, what's the incentive for him to do a Ti version?

As far as the price goes, I'm not fully understanding how he can do a Ti version for the same cost as SS? Prices on Ti are more expensive than SS last I looked so that would make me question is he over-charging for the SS versions?

This is just my opinion here but at this point I'm wondering what the incentive for Murat to even release a Ti version is? Since he said he was going to do a Ti version he is now releasing the 3rd version in SS and people are snatching them up like its the last one he's gonna do so again I ask, what's the incentive for him to do a Ti version?

As far as the price goes, I'm not fully understanding how he can do a Ti version for the same cost as SS? Prices on Ti are more expensive than SS last I looked so that would make me question is he over-charging for the SS versions?

This is what Im getting at....and sadly it is being seen as trying to stir up controversy.

From all I have read and heard, Ti is a difficult material to work with and so it greatly increases
the amount of time, effort and work invested in producing a Ti razor.

I, too, do not understand the logic of greatly increasing the amount and difficulty levels of your work,
and then charging the same as you would earn by doing less work.

This is just my opinion here but at this point I'm wondering what the incentive for Murat to even release a Ti version is? Since he said he was going to do a Ti version he is now releasing the 3rd version in SS and people are snatching them up like its the last one he's gonna do so again I ask, what's the incentive for him to do a Ti version?

As far as the price goes, I'm not fully understanding how he can do a Ti version for the same cost as SS? Prices on Ti are more expensive than SS last I looked so that would make me question is he over-charging for the SS versions?

This is what Im getting at....and sadly it is being seen as trying to stir up controversy.

From all I have read and heard, Ti is a difficult material to work with and so it greatly increases
the amount of time, effort and work invested in producing a Ti razor.

I, too, do not understand the logic of greatly increasing the amount and difficulty levels of your work,
and then charging the same as you would earn by doing less work.

We won’t know til we know. I don’t care to waste the time thinking about hypotheticals. All I know is if the 2021 comes out in Ti (with a longer handle), the price won’t matter.

We won’t know til we know. I don’t care to waste the time thinking about hypotheticals.
All I know is if the 2021 comes out in Ti (with a longer handle), the price won’t matter.

so don't waste your time....why even bother replying?
It's a valid, on-topic post in the right thread.
Maybe the price won't matter.... to you (and a handful of others).

Titanium is not more difficult to work with than SST. As far as raw material, titanium is generally available and comparable to sst cost in turkey. More important, a refinement in processes from machining to finishing will be required due to inherent differences in material properties. This would occur also within varieties of stainless such as 303vs 316L vs 17-4. I think his pride will push him to invest in R&D time and cost to make the sailor work with titanium. He has told several folks here that he has plans to produce it, and I have no reason to doubt his ambition.

Titanium is not more difficult to work with than SST. As far as raw material, titanium rods are generally available and comparable to sst cost in turkey. More important, a refinement in processes from machining to finishing will be required due to inherent differences in material properties. This would occur also within varieties of stainless such as 303vs 316L vs 17-4. I think his pride will push him to invest in R&D time and cost to make the sailor work with titanium. He has told several folks here that he has plans to produce it, and I have no reason to doubt his ambition.

Im not questioning his resolve...Im just wondering aloud how he would be able to reconcile the increased amount of
work required for a Ti model with charging the same price as SS.

I remember an AMA with James from Wolfman where he said that making Ti razors is much harder than SS because
"Ti fights back".