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(This post was last modified: 06-17-2021, 03:17 PM by jmudrick.)
(06-17-2021, 03:02 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 01:56 PM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 01:51 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote: The Gibbs is certainly more convenient for adjusting on the fly, but I didn't find the Heritage to be cumbersome or anything. I wouldn't have a problem if Neil left it the way it is.
Picking nits perhaps but it's an inelegant solution which it would seem could be easily remedied.

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It's all a tradeoff. Do you match the Gibbs mechanism and irritate the folks who are looking for more efficiency at the higher adjustment levels, or do you slightly inconvenience those who'll never use it above 6 anyway?

The former. Pretty small group of folks who need a Gibbs type cranked to 11 vs inconveniencing everyone. Scratch that nobody NEEDS a Gibbs cranked to 11.

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#162
Wasn't the request for more aggressive settings that killed the Janus?

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#163
(06-17-2021, 05:16 PM)Cino Wrote: Wasn't the request for more aggressive settings that killed the Janus?
I thought it was straying from the prototype settings more than the most aggressive setting per se that spoiled the fun for most considering the Janus.

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#164
Eric changed the blade exposure significantly without retesting.

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(06-17-2021, 05:16 PM)Cino Wrote: Wasn't the request for more aggressive settings that killed the Janus?

(06-17-2021, 05:26 PM)Shavemd Wrote: Eric changed the blade exposure significantly without retesting.

A bit off topic, but I don't think anything 'killed' the Janus. He never intended to make a whole bunch of them.

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#166
(06-17-2021, 03:05 PM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 03:02 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 01:56 PM)jmudrick Wrote: Picking nits perhaps but it's an inelegant solution which it would seem could be easily remedied.

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It's all a tradeoff. Do you match the Gibbs mechanism and irritate the folks who are looking for more efficiency at the higher adjustment levels, or do you slightly inconvenience those who'll never use it above 6 anyway?

The former. Pretty small group of folks who need a Gibbs type cranked to 11 vs inconveniencing everyone. Scratch that nobody NEEDS a Gibbs cranked to 11.

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I can tell that you feel very strongly about it. Most of the people I've spoken with don't seem to mind very much either way. For the fun of it, I went ahead and cranked it up to 9 for today's shave. I'll admit the blade starts to chatter too much for my taste once you get above 6.

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#167
(This post was last modified: 06-18-2021, 01:39 AM by jmudrick.)
(06-17-2021, 06:45 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 03:05 PM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 03:02 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote: It's all a tradeoff. Do you match the Gibbs mechanism and irritate the folks who are looking for more efficiency at the higher adjustment levels, or do you slightly inconvenience those who'll never use it above 6 anyway?

The former. Pretty small group of folks who need a Gibbs type cranked to 11 vs inconveniencing everyone. Scratch that nobody NEEDS a Gibbs cranked to 11.

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I can tell that you feel very strongly about it. Most of the people I've spoken with don't seem to mind very much either way. For the fun of it, I went ahead and cranked it up to 9 for today's shave. I'll admit the blade starts to chatter too much for my taste once you get above 6.
It's not that I'm worked up about it, Neil did a small batch for comment so I made the one suggestion I could, presuming it's yet possible to make that change as the mechanics are no mystery. I'm guessing it's not a consideration for folks not used to the Gibbs.

Personally I would also prefer a coated aluminum sleeve rather than plastic, no point in mirroring the weakest aspect of the Gibbs when you're not cloning other aspects of the razor.

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(06-18-2021, 12:06 AM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 06:45 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 03:05 PM)jmudrick Wrote: The former. Pretty small group of folks who need a Gibbs type cranked to 11 vs inconveniencing everyone. Scratch that nobody NEEDS a Gibbs cranked to 11.

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I can tell that you feel very strongly about it.  Most of the people I've spoken with don't seem to mind very much either way.  For the fun of it, I went ahead and cranked it up to 9 for today's shave.  I'll admit the blade starts to chatter too much for my taste once you get above 6.
It's not that I'm worked up about it, Neil did a small batch for comment so I made the one suggestion I could,  presuming it's yet possible to make that change as the mechanics are no mystery.  I'm guessing it's not a consideration for folks not used to the Gibbs.

Personally I would also prefer a coated aluminum sleeve rather than plastic, no point in mirroring the  weakest aspect of the Gibbs when you're not cloning other aspects of the razor.

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Would changing the adjustment mechanism increase the cost of production through additional pieces and manufacturing? It seems the current proposed design is relatively straightforward, although it requires extra steps for blade height adjustments.
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(This post was last modified: 06-18-2021, 12:36 PM by jmudrick.)
(06-18-2021, 06:33 AM)Entasis Wrote:
(06-18-2021, 12:06 AM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-17-2021, 06:45 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote: I can tell that you feel very strongly about it.  Most of the people I've spoken with don't seem to mind very much either way.  For the fun of it, I went ahead and cranked it up to 9 for today's shave.  I'll admit the blade starts to chatter too much for my taste once you get above 6.
It's not that I'm worked up about it, Neil did a small batch for comment so I made the one suggestion I could,  presuming it's yet possible to make that change as the mechanics are no mystery.  I'm guessing it's not a consideration for folks not used to the Gibbs.

Personally I would also prefer a coated aluminum sleeve rather than plastic, no point in mirroring the  weakest aspect of the Gibbs when you're not cloning other aspects of the razor.

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Would changing the adjustment mechanism increase the cost of production through additional pieces and manufacturing? It seems the current proposed design is relatively straightforward, although it requires extra steps for blade height adjustments.
That's a Neil question for his people in China. I'll just say if it were me which it's not I"d use a black coated aluminum or brass sleeve with proper threading rather than a plastic sleeve with a brass fitting like the Gibbs. If it added a couple dollars to the razor you'd have an all metal $54 retail razor, so be it in my opinion. The plastic wasn't a great idea in 1937, still not in my opinion. And the twice the effort adjustment mechanism is just a lazy man's solution on the part of Yaqi. See the way Jaques is making the adjustment on the Gibbs? See that smile? That.

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(06-18-2021, 12:13 PM)jmudrick Wrote:
(06-18-2021, 06:33 AM)Entasis Wrote:
(06-18-2021, 12:06 AM)jmudrick Wrote: It's not that I'm worked up about it, Neil did a small batch for comment so I made the one suggestion I could,  presuming it's yet possible to make that change as the mechanics are no mystery.  I'm guessing it's not a consideration for folks not used to the Gibbs.

Personally I would also prefer a coated aluminum sleeve rather than plastic, no point in mirroring the  weakest aspect of the Gibbs when you're not cloning other aspects of the razor.

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Would changing the adjustment mechanism increase the cost of production through additional pieces and manufacturing? It seems the current proposed design is relatively straightforward, although it requires extra steps for blade height adjustments.
That's a Neil question for his people in China. I'll just say if it were me which it's not I"d use a black coated aluminum or brass sleeve with proper threading rather than a plastic sleeve with a brass fitting like the Gibbs. If it added a couple dollars to the razor you'd have an all metal $54 retail razor, so be it in my opinion. The plastic wasn't a great idea in 1937, still not in my opinion. And the twice the effort adjustment mechanism is just a lazy man's solution on the part of Yaqi. See the way Jaques is making the adjustment on the Gibbs? See that smile? That.

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I asked Neil whether he had considered offering the handle section in additional metals but haven't gotten a response yet. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward to manufacture them. If he hits the price point he's looking for, I bet he would get quite a few takers if he offered them for $10-$15. I think Aluminum or brass would help the balance of the razor a bit, too.

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