#21

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 01-27-2021, 06:07 PM by DanLaw.)
(01-27-2021, 04:04 PM)Mo Omuzichead Wrote: The only razor I have used or owned from the OP's list is the Timeless .95 and it also being the only razor I have owned for almost 2yrs now would be my suggestion. Mine is a Ti95DC OC/SB and would be the exception if being suggested as I find using the OC on 1st pass and SB for the 2nd is why I've lost all desire to try any other razors that have become available since getting it.

That being said I do read all the threads here and on B&B about all the razors mentioned and think from what he listed as options, I would also suggest the H&S HO75 as I think that would be more inline with what he's been using and again, from what I've read will up his efficiency from his current options. As for the other H&S suggestions I don't think any would fit his needs as they would all be too aggressive for him and basically a waste of funds!!

I am kinda baffled over the whole PO76 series H&S offers as from all the reviews each material seems to get quite a few different reviews according to the pass around threads. I personally think from what I've read is he changed a dimension without disclosing the info on the 17-4 razor because it just seemed the reviews on it were the most critical and I just don't buy it that the material is the reason. The reason I think this is because when the Titanium was introduced it received very favorable reviews and very much on par with the SS version and henceforth the Copper as well over the 17-4... The dislike for the 17-4 just seemed overwhelming compared to the others and I think that is just strange in most blamed it on the material.

I've not tried any of Avi's line because of 2 reasons being I am VERY happy with my Ti95DC and just can't believe the shave could give any better results than I have been getting over the past couple years and then there are the looks of the H&S line!! In "MY OPINION" they are the ugliest razors offered today other than the Oneblade maybe and it probably starts with the handles more than the razor heads themselves. The handle on the Blackbird is what kept me from buying one of those and I know you can always change the handle out but to me that is being disrespectful to the Mfg'r in doing that. They make a product to be used as it is released imo... The handle on the H&S line is imo, even uglier than the original Carbon offering that really had a very mixed reaction when launched and kept quite a few from purchasing so I feel my reasoning of the H&S is warranted. Another reason is I don't care for polished at all and it seems that is all Avi cares to make beyond the PO75 offering.

With that being said I will finish this off with a very wise quote from LOOT , "lest the flame consume"!!

Great post and agree on many counts SAVE the 17-4, design and finish. Of course, nothing can, nor rightly should sway your tastes.  Diversity of personal preference (and reasoned opinion) makes the world colourful and advances mankind. 

Aji’s high polishing of metals even Wolfman won’t undertake is part of the high end appeal of the aspirational P series. Can state as fact he sometimes spends an entire day on a single razor. Much like a Ferrari, it not for everybody even if possessing the requisite disposable income. 

The 17-4 material is uniquely clinical (to be kind). Some actually prefer it. Irrespective, the metal used making such a decisive delta to perception is a very real and empirically defencable proposition.

Confident I can demonstrate the phenomena. 

Finally, it is Aji; Avi was another person involved with a different highly regarded razor endeavour that, for reasons unrelated to the actual product, ended less than sanguine.

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#22
(01-27-2021, 05:19 PM)Shaver_Brian Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 07:19 PM)gwsmallwood Wrote:
(01-26-2021, 05:06 PM)Shaver_Brian Wrote: I currently have RazoRock Game Changer.84
Merkur 37C, Rockwell 6C

I love to use all of them based on how I feel that day and to use Feather on Rockwell 3rd plate but any blades on any plates and Gillette new platinum on any.

I have placed an pre order from Wolfman but may cancel due to the cost.

I am considering buying H&S N075, Timeless 0.69 or 0.95, Blackland Blackbird, Carbon shaving razor or Karve razor.

It is really hard for me to choose one lol

I have 1-1.5mm long and coarse hair mostly under the nose and chin.

Please recommend to me which to buy Smile

If you want more blade feel than the razors you're used to, the Blackbird is worth a try.  I'm kinda guessing maybe you don't since you use the 3 plate on the Rockwell most.  The Timeless 95 might be a nice pickup.  Not overly aggressive, but quite efficient and a beautiful razor.

Actually I don’t mind using any plate Smile
but the best combination for shaving has been 3rd plate and feather blade Smile

Of 10, What point will you give for the aggressiveness of Blackbird?

It really depends on what you're used to, but it's a few steps up from the 6S 6 plate.

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#23

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 01-27-2021, 06:15 PM by DanLaw.)
Blackbird?  To me about 8,5 of 10 on aggression/blade feel with Rockwell 6 plate being 4,5-5

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#24
(01-27-2021, 05:31 PM)Shaver_Brian Wrote: wow thanks for the detailed experience you had.
I never knew those you mentioned can be returned. Very interesting Smile
Many around me said that N075 should be at a specific angle to have a nice, smooth and efficient shave.

Is it also what you felt the same way?

H'mmm.  Good question.  I've not thought about that.  Possibly true although N075 head has a pretty obvious (to me) natural angle built in.  On the other hand, it did take me a shave or two to get dialed in.  But I've had that experience with other razors, as well, so I chalked it up to my normal experience.  Certainly, I did get it dialed in, it's been effortless for months now.  BTW, there hasn't been a discussion about the N075 baseplates. As I assume you've see, there are two, and the favorite seems to be the aluminum (which is black and kind of a neat off-setting look, at least to me; others have felt otherwise).  I got both baseplates and I flip between them. The aluminum is particularly smooth with less feel.  The stainless has more blade feel; not overly so at all but more.  

Also, I said I would post my reactions to using the Carbon.  The passaround has four baseplates and I used it today with the ++ version.  Folks have seemed to like it particularly.  It was really quite smooth and easy but, for me, not as efficient as I might have wanted and so not quite as close a shave.  I did, however, use a GSB and tomorrow I think I'll try the ++ again but go with a Feather.

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#25

Newbie in soap
South Korea
(01-27-2021, 06:49 PM)Lesser Wrote:
(01-27-2021, 05:31 PM)Shaver_Brian Wrote: wow thanks for the detailed experience you had.
I never knew those you mentioned can be returned. Very interesting Smile
Many around me said that N075 should be at a specific angle to have a nice, smooth and efficient shave.

Is it also what you felt the same way?

H'mmm.  Good question.  I've not thought about that.  Possibly true although N075 head has a pretty obvious (to me) natural angle built in.  On the other hand, it did take me a shave or two to get dialed in.  But I've had that experience with other razors, as well, so I chalked it up to my normal experience.  Certainly, I did get it dialed in, it's been effortless for months now.  BTW, there hasn't been a discussion about the N075 baseplates. As I assume you've see, there are two, and the favorite seems to be the aluminum (which is black and kind of a neat off-setting look, at least to me; others have felt otherwise).  I got both baseplates and I flip between them. The aluminum is particularly smooth with less feel.  The stainless has more blade feel; not overly so at all but more.  

Also, I said I would post my reactions to using the Carbon.  The passaround has four baseplates and I used it today with the ++ version.  Folks have seemed to like it particularly.  It was really quite smooth and easy but, for me, not as efficient as I might have wanted and so not quite as close a shave.  I did, however, use a GSB and tomorrow I think I'll try the ++ again but go with a Feather.

I saw a review saying that the ++plate has a huge gap but negative blade exposure that's why you, I guess, didnt have as efficient a result as you had had with the other plates or razors. The original plate has the positive blade exposure so it will give you a very close shave.

You should try the other two plates of Carbon Smile

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#26
(01-28-2021, 05:56 AM)Shaver_Brian Wrote:
(01-27-2021, 06:49 PM)Lesser Wrote:
(01-27-2021, 05:31 PM)Shaver_Brian Wrote: wow thanks for the detailed experience you had.
I never knew those you mentioned can be returned. Very interesting Smile
Many around me said that N075 should be at a specific angle to have a nice, smooth and efficient shave.

Is it also what you felt the same way?

H'mmm.  Good question.  I've not thought about that.  Possibly true although N075 head has a pretty obvious (to me) natural angle built in.  On the other hand, it did take me a shave or two to get dialed in.  But I've had that experience with other razors, as well, so I chalked it up to my normal experience.  Certainly, I did get it dialed in, it's been effortless for months now.  BTW, there hasn't been a discussion about the N075 baseplates. As I assume you've see, there are two, and the favorite seems to be the aluminum (which is black and kind of a neat off-setting look, at least to me; others have felt otherwise).  I got both baseplates and I flip between them. The aluminum is particularly smooth with less feel.  The stainless has more blade feel; not overly so at all but more.  

Also, I said I would post my reactions to using the Carbon.  The passaround has four baseplates and I used it today with the ++ version.  Folks have seemed to like it particularly.  It was really quite smooth and easy but, for me, not as efficient as I might have wanted and so not quite as close a shave.  I did, however, use a GSB and tomorrow I think I'll try the ++ again but go with a Feather.

I saw a review saying that the ++plate has a huge gap but negative blade exposure that's why you, I guess, didnt have as efficient a result as you had had with the other plates or razors. The original plate has the positive blade exposure so it will give you a very close shave.

You should try the other two plates of Carbon Smile
That's my understanding too (about the ++); if I comparing it to the N075, however, I'll want to be try to get as good a shave out of as out of the N075 and today's wasn't, which is why I'll try a sharper blade.  But, before I'm done, I'll be trying all of the bases and writing them up in the passaround thread....
#27

Member
Illinois
(01-27-2021, 05:55 PM)DanLaw Wrote:
(01-27-2021, 04:04 PM)Mo Omuzichead Wrote: The only razor I have used or owned from the OP's list is the Timeless .95 and it also being the only razor I have owned for almost 2yrs now would be my suggestion. Mine is a Ti95DC OC/SB and would be the exception if being suggested as I find using the OC on 1st pass and SB for the 2nd is why I've lost all desire to try any other razors that have become available since getting it.

That being said I do read all the threads here and on B&B about all the razors mentioned and think from what he listed as options, I would also suggest the H&S HO75 as I think that would be more inline with what he's been using and again, from what I've read will up his efficiency from his current options. As for the other H&S suggestions I don't think any would fit his needs as they would all be too aggressive for him and basically a waste of funds!!

I am kinda baffled over the whole PO76 series H&S offers as from all the reviews each material seems to get quite a few different reviews according to the pass around threads. I personally think from what I've read is he changed a dimension without disclosing the info on the 17-4 razor because it just seemed the reviews on it were the most critical and I just don't buy it that the material is the reason. The reason I think this is because when the Titanium was introduced it received very favorable reviews and very much on par with the SS version and henceforth the Copper as well over the 17-4... The dislike for the 17-4 just seemed overwhelming compared to the others and I think that is just strange in most blamed it on the material.

I've not tried any of Avi's line because of 2 reasons being I am VERY happy with my Ti95DC and just can't believe the shave could give any better results than I have been getting over the past couple years and then there are the looks of the H&S line!! In "MY OPINION" they are the ugliest razors offered today other than the Oneblade maybe and it probably starts with the handles more than the razor heads themselves. The handle on the Blackbird is what kept me from buying one of those and I know you can always change the handle out but to me that is being disrespectful to the Mfg'r in doing that. They make a product to be used as it is released imo... The handle on the H&S line is imo, even uglier than the original Carbon offering that really had a very mixed reaction when launched and kept quite a few from purchasing so I feel my reasoning of the H&S is warranted. Another reason is I don't care for polished at all and it seems that is all Avi cares to make beyond the PO75 offering.

With that being said I will finish this off with a very wise quote from LOOT , "lest the flame consume"!!

Great post and agree on many counts SAVE the 17-4, design and finish. Of course, nothing can, nor rightly should sway your tastes.  Diversity of personal preference (and reasoned opinion) makes the world colourful and advances mankind. 

Aji’s high polishing of metals even Wolfman won’t undertake is part of the high end appeal of the aspirational P series. Can state as fact he sometimes spends an entire day on a single razor. Much like a Ferrari, it not for everybody even if possessing the requisite disposable income. 

The 17-4 material is uniquely clinical (to be kind). Some actually prefer it. Irrespective, the metal used making such a decisive delta to perception is a very real and empirically defencable proposition.

Confident I can demonstrate the phenomena. 

Finally, it is Aji; Avi was another person involved with a different highly regarded razor endeavour that, for reasons unrelated to the actual product, ended less than sanguine.

First I'd like to apologize to Aji as I thought I'd had it right and thank you for pointing that out!! I'd also like to say I had meant to put in my post that at one time I was in the same camp as most and wanted any of the coveted BBS-1, WR1, and or WR2's from James as they garner such high praise but even that flame has been distinguished by my Ti95DC, but in James's defense, at least he offers all of his offerings in at least 3 different finishes where Aji doesn't which I think he might be missing out on some sales... The high polish isn't for everyone!!

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#28

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2021, 11:08 AM by DanLaw.)
Aji has discussed offering a high quality brush finish akin to duFour’s optional extra cost brushed finish. So that may be in the offing.

RE Timeless Razors: have owned literally every gap and comb in SS and Ti. It is a nice razor that employs the WEDM process in its manufacture, harkening back to my graduate fellowship days - a good place. While enjoying the unique curling of the baseplate and the associated reduction in irritation on very damaged and sensative skin, the inherent stack height so associated makes it suboptimal option on an angular disfigured face as getting around the nostrils and ears is nearly impossible.  Even the new low profile head just leaves too many inaccessible gaps.  Matt and the guys are such good people - real solid MidWestern stock that a pleasure from a customer service perspective.  However, and it makes no difference to the actual shave, it absolutely unfair to even remotely compare the finish to vintage duFour offerings, the optional high finish current Wolfman offerings and especially the H&S P series razors (citcling back to Avi, the RAW razors were of that quality too).

That stated, for those with rounder symmetrical faces, the Timeless stack heights are not an issue and will concede the shaves are efficient and smooth irrespective of gap and comb. Would also be remiss to skip reiterating just what great guys are the Timeless crew.

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#29

Newbie in soap
South Korea
(01-27-2021, 06:11 PM)DanLaw Wrote: Blackbird?  To me about 8,5 of 10 on aggression/blade feel with Rockwell 6 plate being 4,5-5

wow that is pretty much high.

I think I should get a razor with mid aggression.

Have you tried Colibri from Home Like Shaving??
#30

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2021, 11:01 AM by DanLaw.)
Have not tried Homelike but surely would given an opportunity

If you have a rounder and symmetrical face, Timeless SS in any gap and comb can work but for my angular disfigured face, requiring maneuverability especially around the nose and ears combined with efficiency and mildness, H&S N075 can’t be beat.

Realize some may find it odd but by far the best Blackland razor used to date is the Dart; it makes my top 5 at any price despite being very inexpensive albeit not super mild

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