#71

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Indiana
(05-18-2023, 05:57 AM)Tester28 Wrote: Well, I could use a cheap burner to take on travels...wont hurt if it gets lost or nicked.

Plus, I have to say that baseplate looks great.

I think I can use any razor in my den as a free travel razor. I can take a lower-value one if I'm concerned that I could lose it while traveling.

I only wish Paradigm would keep performing in the same manner as before.

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#72
Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

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#73

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Chester County, PA
(05-15-2023, 02:37 AM)Cino Wrote:
(05-15-2023, 12:15 AM)ExtraProtein Wrote:
(05-14-2023, 07:07 PM)dtownvino Wrote: Only edits I make are grammatical because the phone auto corrects and I watch my fingers and not the words ?. 

Here is what it comes down to for me.  I like well thought out, executed products, with smart engineering and solid fit and finish.  Tatara, Blackland, Wolfman, Chiseled Face, Carbon, etc. 

What I look at is this is a rebranding whether intentional or not and it’s a shift away from what attracted me to the brand initially.

Branding Branding, Branding…. The SOUL of your work

My implication of edit is simple….. my thoughts today might not be my thoughts tomorrow if missiles are raining down on my home.  Specifically, my original thoughts could have been offensive and unreasonable but now I’ve grown and evolved.  I want to share both points it’s how I learn. Actually me personally…. I fumble double the amount of normal ppl, lol. 

The brands you listed cannot be mistaken for another!

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You need a Blackbird and a Timeless in there.   And an H&S.  Karve?  Your mission is not completed.

Some really nice razors!

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#74

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(05-20-2023, 11:02 PM)SharpnShiny Wrote: Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

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#75

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Chester County, PA
(This post was last modified: 05-20-2023, 11:39 PM by dtownvino.)
(05-20-2023, 11:02 PM)SharpnShiny Wrote: Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

I don’t know, Blackland I would say is one is the most successful and i would guess Shane doesn’t own a machine shop or have intentions of getting to it. 

I would bet Tatara (great engineering) doesn’t own a machine shop.  

Depends, you can come at this from 3 perspectives.  

1.) a skilled machinist (likely hands on in-house)
2.) an engineer (likely outsourced) 
3.) commercially (outsource all of it)

Someone companies such as Yates, Timeless and Henson, luckily have 1 and 2 in-house.  

If you have a skilled mechanical engineer you can outsource the machine shop work easier. However, auditing and qualifying a machine shop, whole different level.  

Back to my point, it would have been very hard to do in China during Covid unless you had extremely good relationships and fabrication history there. 

That is my personal opinion.

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#76

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AZ, USA
(05-20-2023, 11:02 PM)SharpnShiny Wrote: Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

I don’t feel it’s people being tough on artisans, I feel it’s people holding them accountable. I had bought several razors from ATT, one being the S2 which I consider to be the best Slant ever made, but after they started having their Razors manufactured in China I stopped buying from them. The original owner turned the company over to his son in law and next thing you know the company is no longer what it used to be. Just because something is offered at a cheaper price does not make it better.

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Hunter
#77
(05-20-2023, 11:38 PM)dtownvino Wrote:
(05-20-2023, 11:02 PM)SharpnShiny Wrote: Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

I don’t know, Blackland I would say is one is the most successful and i would guess Shane doesn’t own a machine shop or have intentions of getting to it. 

I would bet Tatara (great engineering) doesn’t own a machine shop.  

Depends, you can come at this from 3 perspectives.  

1.) a skilled machinist (likely hands on in-house)
2.) an engineer (likely outsourced) 
3.) commercially (outsource all of it)

Someone companies such as Yates, Timeless and Henson, luckily have 1 and 2 in-house.  

If you have a skilled mechanical engineer you can outsource the machine shop work easier. However, auditing and qualifying a machine shop, whole different level.  

Back to my point, it would have been very hard to do in China during Covid unless you had extremely good relationships and fabrication history there. 

That is my personal opinion.

I respect your opinion, I just feel it’s a little unfair that some opinions and comments can hurt his sales and his chances to create a premium razor again. Then again when he had a razor that was well received and in demand, he would just abandon it and move on to the next razor. Pretty sure selling more 17-4, diamondbacks, and SEs would have made him money?

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#78
(05-21-2023, 05:23 AM)TheHunter Wrote: I don’t feel it’s people being tough on artisans, I feel it’s people holding them accountable. I had bought several razors from ATT, one being the S2 which I consider to be the best Slant ever made, but after they started having their Razors manufactured in China I stopped buying from them. The original owner turned the company over to his son in law and next thing you know the company is no longer what it used to be. Just because something is offered at a cheaper price does not make it better.

Well it was only two razors that were manufactured in China, the original line that they stocked were still made in the US. So the problem is with moving manufacturing to China that was previously made in the USA, not necessarily that they are made in China. I mean Colonial Razors razors were made in China until the Silversmith and General V2 and those razors were very successful. I don’t remember anyone having a problem where they were made.

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#79

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 05-21-2023, 11:44 AM by DanLaw.)
(05-20-2023, 11:38 PM)dtownvino Wrote:
(05-20-2023, 11:02 PM)SharpnShiny Wrote: Does anyone know if he was outsourcing the machining and polishing of the previous razors? I mean that’s a a huge risk, just google what happened to Stirling and bull goose. Maybe this cheaper razor will make him money to open or rent a shop and continue his premium made in USA razors. People just too tough on artisans and I recently saw with Above the Tie when they sourced two razors from China even though they offered them at a cheaper price. Most successful razor brands manufacture their own razors and maybe this razor will allow Paradigm to do just that.

I don’t know, Blackland I would say is one is the most successful and i would guess Shane doesn’t own a machine shop or have intentions of getting to it. 

I would bet Tatara (great engineering) doesn’t own a machine shop.  

Depends, you can come at this from 3 perspectives.  

1.) a skilled machinist (likely hands on in-house)
2.) an engineer (likely outsourced) 
3.) commercially (outsource all of it)

Someone companies such as Yates, Timeless and Henson, luckily have 1 and 2 in-house.  

If you have a skilled mechanical engineer you can outsource the machine shop work easier. However, auditing and qualifying a machine shop, whole different level.  

Back to my point, it would have been very hard to do in China during Covid unless you had extremely good relationships and fabrication history there. 

That is my personal opinion.

Tatara guys are in fact degreed engineers doing the vast vast majority of the machining, finishing and even packaging manufacturing (save paper and printing) in house.

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#80

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Indiana
These are hobby items rather than consumer products. All I wish is that he continue what he started. I think it might destroy the brand's fame even if only one razor is produced in China. Would you really want to buy this razor if you didn't know the brand name was Paradigm???

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