#451

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
(11-04-2021, 10:22 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 09:34 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: if only Blackland Razors would pass the razor around on one of the best shaving forums in the world that gives him much love.....   Cool  Big Grin

If only!
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#452

Merchant
San Diego CA
(11-04-2021, 10:34 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 10:22 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 09:34 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: if only Blackland Razors would pass the razor around on one of the best shaving forums in the world that gives him much love.....   Cool  Big Grin

If only!
You know how to get in touch. 

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Six years in and zero pass arounds. I'd hate to ruin a good streak.


On a semi-serious note, an Era pass around would be even more excruciatingly slow than the average pass arounds which are already excruciatingly slow. All those base plate options means it would take forever for a user to get a proper test in. Or, for the sake of time, they would have to not try all the base plates which means they aren't getting the full experience, reducing the value of the pass around anyway. Plus it's only $75. So I'd say "no" anyway, but now I can say it with even better rationale.

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#453

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
(11-04-2021, 11:34 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 10:34 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 10:22 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote: If only!
You know how to get in touch. 

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Six years in and zero pass arounds. I'd hate to ruin a good streak.


On a semi-serious note, an Era pass around would be even more excruciatingly slow than the average pass arounds which are already excruciatingly slow. All those base plate options means it would take forever for a user to get a proper test in. Or, for the sake of time, they would have to not try all the base plates which means they aren't getting the full experience, reducing the value of the pass around anyway. Plus it's only $75. So I'd say "no" anyway, but now I can say it with even better rationale.
I guess the only rebuttal I could make is that you can limit how many plates you send around to expedite the pass around.

I don't know what you do with returned razors but this *could* potentially help you cut down on wasted product, returns, labor involved in processing returns, shipping costs if you pay for returned items, etc..

I'm trying.

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#454

Member
Midwest
Getting a pretty good run on the Muramasa, and already have some design input and influence from members.

https://damnfineshave.com/thread-tatara-...thout-bulk

Just sayin'.... Smile

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#455

Merchant
San Diego CA
I respect the hustle, guys, I really do.

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#456

Soap Sniffers Anonymous
Edmonton
Who are we kidding most of us will just buy all 10 plates


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#457
(This post was last modified: 11-09-2021, 09:17 PM by jesseix.)
(11-04-2021, 11:49 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 11:34 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 10:34 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: You know how to get in touch. 

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Six years in and zero pass arounds. I'd hate to ruin a good streak.


On a semi-serious note, an Era pass around would be even more excruciatingly slow than the average pass arounds which are already excruciatingly slow. All those base plate options means it would take forever for a user to get a proper test in. Or, for the sake of time, they would have to not try all the base plates which means they aren't getting the full experience, reducing the value of the pass around anyway. Plus it's only $75. So I'd say "no" anyway, but now I can say it with even better rationale.

I don't know what you do with returned razors but this *could* potentially help you cut down on wasted product, returns, labor involved in processing returns, shipping costs if you pay for returned items, etc..
This is probably an unpopular opinion amount the consumers here, but I've never understood why razor makers allow for no-questions-asked returns of used products for full refund. Is it nice for the customer to get a free trial run at something and just send it back if it it isn't a perfect fit, even if there's nothing physically wrong with the item they received? I'm sure it is, but that just seems like a surefire way for the artisan to lose money and be that much closer to not producing anymore. Its one thing if there's a defect, but just returning something you've used for a while and having the artisan eat the difference (since they'd be stuck trying to resell it as a returned/scratch & dent item) doesn't seem like a good idea.
Just my 2 cents, but something I've always thought. I'd be interested if any of the artisans that allow these returns have stats on if those people returning items end up replacing it with a new order from them for something different.

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#458
(11-09-2021, 09:16 PM)jesseix Wrote: just returning something you've used for a while and having the artisan eat the difference (since they'd be stuck trying to resell it as a returned/scratch & dent item) doesn't seem like a good idea.

If rampant return behavior was widespread, the policy would not last long. High end luxury razors are a very niche market, and customers interested in those items have a good idea of what they want and what they will be getting. In an interview in July, when asked what happens with all the returned razors, Shane responded that he has surprisingly few returns.

The open return policy is certainly a gentlemen's wager. It will be interesting to see if the significantly lower price point brings less "gentlemanly" customers. Perhaps if enough Eras get returned, maybe Blackland would then offer a scratch & dent. It will be interesting to see. Early reviews of the Era look very promising.

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#459

Merchant
San Diego CA
(This post was last modified: 11-09-2021, 10:52 PM by Blackland Razors.)
(11-09-2021, 09:16 PM)jesseix Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 11:49 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(11-04-2021, 11:34 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote: Six years in and zero pass arounds. I'd hate to ruin a good streak.


On a semi-serious note, an Era pass around would be even more excruciatingly slow than the average pass arounds which are already excruciatingly slow. All those base plate options means it would take forever for a user to get a proper test in. Or, for the sake of time, they would have to not try all the base plates which means they aren't getting the full experience, reducing the value of the pass around anyway. Plus it's only $75. So I'd say "no" anyway, but now I can say it with even better rationale.

I don't know what you do with returned razors but this *could* potentially help you cut down on wasted product, returns, labor involved in processing returns, shipping costs if you pay for returned items, etc..
This is probably an unpopular opinion amount the consumers here, but I've never understood why razor makers allow for no-questions-asked returns of used products for full refund. Is it nice for the customer to get a free trial run at something and just send it back if it it isn't a perfect fit, even if there's nothing physically wrong with the item they received? I'm sure it is, but that just seems like a surefire way for the artisan to lose money and be that much closer to not producing anymore. Its one thing if there's a defect, but just returning something you've used for a while and having the artisan eat the difference (since they'd be stuck trying to resell it as a returned/scratch & dent item) doesn't seem like a good idea.
Just my 2 cents, but something I've always thought. I'd be interested if any of the artisans that allow these returns have stats on if those people returning items end up replacing it with a new order from them for something different.

This could be true for actual artisans, but Blackland isn't one. I run it like a business so returns are baked into the business model and into our pricing. We track stats for returns and most customers come back for something else. If returns were to make us lose money on net, that wouldn't indicate a problem with returns - it would be indicative of a problem with the product.

It's very shortsighted to be frustrated by returns. There was a time when Blackland was extremely cash strapped and returns used to cause me a ton of stress because even a couple hundred dollars mattered at that point. But I understood then what has played out to be true - if a customer doesn't like the product, but loves the experience, they'll be back down the road when we make a new product that fits them better. If we had disallowed returns, those customers would be pissed off and would never come back. The old "fool me once.." saying.

The reality is that when people don't feel they can return something, they just won't buy it in the first place. I certainly won't. As a customer, I literally never consider buying anything that I can't return. I don't expect our customers to behave any differently.

We've had a return policy since day one and I'll never get rid of it. If anything, we might expand it in the future.

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#460

Merchant
San Diego CA
(11-09-2021, 09:41 PM)ewk Wrote:
(11-09-2021, 09:16 PM)jesseix Wrote: just returning something you've used for a while and having the artisan eat the difference (since they'd be stuck trying to resell it as a returned/scratch & dent item) doesn't seem like a good idea.

Perhaps  if enough Eras get returned, maybe Blackland would then offer a scratch & dent.

Yes. This is the plan.

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