#21
Ok, let's get real here.

This is a promo of your work. Posting on every forum those pics is a promo.
On TSN a member asked for more info and you replied "I'm starting a business soon and I'll tell you more shortly". This is not a possibility, but a certainty.
I don't know of many people who do such things just for fun but also post photos with brand logos and names. There is a discussion on B&B about your brand name.
You may not sell anything openly, but the way you act it seems that you are preparing for that.
I did my research because I think you are trying to drive me crazy with your quibble. Do you run or not a site under your brand name?

We are hobbyists who spend crazy money and appreciate honesty. This was the first and most important thing I said in my first post. You haven't sold anything openly, but you still don't want to be 100% honest with your future customers. That's bad, man. We've seen such things happening and they didn't end up well. I don't know if you are around long enough to know what I'm talking about now. I guess you are not.

Peace.
#22

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: Ok, let's get real here.

This is a promo of your work. Posting on every forum those pics is a promo.
On TSN a member asked for more info and you replied "I'm starting a business soon and I'll tell you more shortly". This is not a possibility, but a certainty.
I don't know of many people who do such things just for fun but also post photos with brand logos and names. There is a discussion on B&B about your brand name.
You may not sell anything openly, but the way you act it seems that you are preparing for that.
I did my research because I think you are trying to drive me crazy with your quibble. Do you run or not a site under your brand name?

We are hobbyists who spend crazy money and appreciate honesty. This was the first and most important thing I said in my first post. You haven't sold anything openly, but you still don't want to be 100% honest with your future customers. That's bad, man. We've seen such things happening and they didn't end up well. I don't know if you are around long enough to know what I'm talking about now. I guess you are not.

Peace.

so what? let the man show us what he's doing! we're not like those other forums out there, we encourage discussions!

when he's ready to sell, he'll sell. if he wants to sell on DFS, we can set him up with a merchant account for cheap.

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#23
(03-21-2019, 09:08 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: Ok, let's get real here.

This is a promo of your work. Posting on every forum those pics is a promo.
On TSN a member asked for more info and you replied "I'm starting a business soon and I'll tell you more shortly". This is not a possibility, but a certainty.
I don't know of many people who do such things just for fun but also post photos with brand logos and names. There is a discussion on B&B about your brand name.
You may not sell anything openly, but the way you act it seems that you are preparing for that.
I did my research because I think you are trying to drive me crazy with your quibble. Do you run or not a site under your brand name?

We are hobbyists who spend crazy money and appreciate honesty. This was the first and most important thing I said in my first post. You haven't sold anything openly, but you still don't want to be 100% honest with your future customers. That's bad, man. We've seen such things happening and they didn't end up well. I don't know if you are around long enough to know what I'm talking about now. I guess you are not.

Peace.

so what? let the man show us what he's doing! we're not like those other forums out there, we encourage discussions!

when he's ready to sell, he'll sell. if he wants to sell on DFS, we can set him up with a merchant account for cheap.

We all know that DFS is a more friendly place for vendors and artisans. You did a good job on that.

I just don't know why he doesn't at least admit it. Maybe the TSN experience shocked him. Yeah, if you want to sell as a vendor or artisan you must start a vendor or artisan account. Forums have expenses and you have to contribute.
#24

novacula regem
Greece
(This post was last modified: 03-21-2019, 10:23 PM by Stephanos1920.)
(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: Ok, let's get real here.

This is a promo of your work. Posting on every forum those pics is a promo.

Yes,let's get real .
Posting a nice review for a razor ,soap,brush or whatever else is not considered a "promo " ?
As a customer ,owner of the product ,you're not promoting this product to others ,when you're " getting in the trouble " ,
to syntax a review where everything about seems ideal ?
In case that is not considered a promo ,then I guess that a vendor with more than one accounts ,reviewing and praising his/her products
as a "customer " is not actually promoting the product(s)  ,right ?


(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: On TSN a member asked for more info and you replied "I'm starting a business soon and I'll tell you more shortly". This is not a possibility, but a certainty.
I don't know of many people who do such things just for fun but also post photos with brand logos and names. There is a discussion on B&B about your brand name.
You may not sell anything openly, but the way you act it seems that you are preparing for that.
At that time ,yes I was 100% certain that I will start a business .But things went wrong ,in real life ,beyond the web .
I could have stated that " I'm flying for Rome soon and I'll tell you more shortly about it ".
But,until I was to be actually in Rome drinking an espresso ,nothing is a "certainty".Not until then .
You get the point .

(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: I did my research because I think you are trying to drive me crazy with your quibble. Do you run or not a site under your brand name?
Yes ,I do .
The "site " Is a blogspot actually and not a web store .And to be more precise it's a trial of me of how I wished for a web shop to look like .
And I also have an Instagram account with my ...."brand name /logo " ( of a business that is still non existent ) .
You can visit both and please check the date of the last posts .
It's been a while since I've posted something new ,while I'm still making various handles and razor stands .
Why ? Because lately ,i'm not that certain as I was before ,at that time I've given the answer to TSN .
Do I've every right to change my mind ? Certainly !

(03-21-2019, 08:06 PM)Fargo Wrote: We are hobbyists who spend crazy money and appreciate honesty. This was the first and most important thing I said in my first post. You haven't sold anything openly, but you still don't want to be 100% honest with your future customers. That's bad, man. We've seen such things happening and they didn't end up well. I don't know if you are around long enough to know what I'm talking about now. I guess you are not.

Peace.
Still,I really haven't seen  the part where I'm lying ...

(03-21-2019, 09:08 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote: so what?  let the man show us what he's doing!  we're not like those other forums out there, we encourage discussions!
when he's ready to sell, he'll sell.  if he wants to sell on DFS, we can set him up with a merchant account for cheap.
And for that reason exactly,this forum will be the only place that someone can find my creations in the future ,If eventually i will START running a business .
Not because I was treated with this open-minded way ,but because here it's a place that an idea or
an artistic inspiration is not only allowed to be transformed,
to evolve to something else,but also supported all the way from it's very start.
Thank you ,Sir .


(03-21-2019, 09:35 PM)Fargo Wrote: We all know that DFS is a more friendly place for vendors and artisans. You did a good job on that.

I just don't know why he doesn't at least admit it. Maybe the TSN experience shocked him.
Yeah, if you want to sell as a vendor or artisan you must start a vendor or artisan account.
Forums have expenses and you have to contribute.

I totally agree with everything you state .
Still ,I 'm not sure what you want me to admit .
That I've been asked to pay vendor's fees ,while I was not being a vendor ?
While i did not have anything to sell ?
Or I should have paid those fees ,because there was the possibility ,probability or even certainty ( ! ) that I will be one eventually ?
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#25
(03-21-2019, 10:01 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: Yes,let's get real .
Posting a nice review for a razor ,soap,brush or whatever else is not considered a "promo " ?
As a customer of the product ,you're not promoting this product to others ,when you're " getting in the trouble " ,to syntax a review where everything about seems ideal ?
So ,what's the difference for me posting pics or reviews of things that they are not even actual products  (yet ) ?

We are not machinists or artisans that show, let's not use promote this time, their work. We are not makers, but consumers. There is a huge difference.

Do you know of any maker that would say bad things about his product? Or maybe he would try to say that it's amazing? That's a promo, not a review. You simply can't make an honest review of your own product. I think we all understand this.

Makers promote their products, they don't review them.


(03-21-2019, 07:40 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: I'm being honest enough ,when I 've stated that I'm the maker and that I may be starting a business in the near or distant future .

When and IF such thing  will happen ,I will gladly pay fees to a forum .
But for a forum moderator  to be deleting posts based on the possibility -probability  of a future business ,is something beyond my understanding .


(03-21-2019, 10:01 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: At that time ,yes I was 100% certain that I will start a business .But things went wrong ,in real life ,beyond the web .


You get that these two quotes mean opposite things, right? They confirm what I've been saying in my posts. Thanks.
#26

novacula regem
Greece
I really do not understand what exactly you're trying to prove here .
And why you seem so passionate about it .

Anyway ,I hope that you have finally made your point (whatever that was ) by now .

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#27

Shaving Enthusiast
Kansas City, Missouri
You are a true craftsman, beautiful work!

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