Chieftain vs Baili

My chieften can make more hamburger in 5 minuets than be handled.

The current Chieftain is far superior to the Baili in my opinion.

Baili has had a couple of different head designs and the OP isn't aware of this or is shilling for VB. I think Baili makes one of the best razors in the world in the BR171 and I'm frankly so sick of VB's viral bullshit lies that I signed up just to post. They're a marketing company that lies. They use Scandinavian and gangster words to try and make their Australian marketing company sound cool in order to sell a Chinese razor which is good all by itself. Frankly, that's racist as hell. Just be honest about it. Just sell it as a great Chinese razor instead of sanitizing it to become caucasian. They're all over the net with fake accounts trying to spread the myth that they're the designers of this razor. They're not. They're a marketing department filled with litigious pricks. Here's a pic of the razor with the same head as the "inferior Baili". Truth: VB took whatever design Baili made and put their logo on it. It's just pathetic the lies and they markup 400 percent for a freaking box. 

Baili has had a couple of different head designs and the OP isn't aware of this or is shilling for VB. I think Baili makes one of the best razors in the world in the BR171 and I'm frankly so sick of VB's viral bullshit lies that I signed up just to post. They're a marketing company that lies. They use Scandinavian and gangster words to try and make their Australian marketing company sound cool in order to sell a Chinese razor which is good all by itself. Frankly, that's racist as hell. Just be honest about it. Just sell it as a great Chinese razor instead of sanitizing it to become caucasian. They're all over the net with fake accounts trying to spread the myth that they're the designers of this razor. They're not. They're a marketing department filled with litigious pricks. Here's a pic of the razor with the same head as the "inferior Baili". Truth: VB took whatever design Baili made and put their logo on it. It's just pathetic the lies and they markup 400 percent for a freaking box. 

Otter (aka Ottoland)

Move on mate.
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Over the past 2, 3 years you have been all over every internet forum spreading the same bs.[/font]

Whenever someone posts comparison photos clearly showing 2 different razor heads, you purposely ignore that and call them a shill, or accuse them of being our fake accounts, and then you post the exact same photo of one of our old iterations of the Chieftain which shares the same look as the Baili BD179. Conveniently you always skip the part where our razor weighs more, and the part where our good friends at [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Baili have also confirmed this. So what you are trying to achieve?[/font]

Not sure what you smoke but on our product packaging we clearly state Manufactured in PRC China.
Our blades (not razors) are made from Swedish steel. Of course it's a strong bonus point so we mention that. Is that Scandinavian racism as you accused?

TRUTH: Baili has been using the same mild head design for their BD179 razor since the beginning, whereas VB has released multiple semi-aggressive head designs (at least 5) from zinc alloys and brass (earlier samples).

If you speak Chinese, please confirm this directly with the owner of Baili.
He is an extremely nice gentleman and has no problem confirming this. In fact we're good friends in real life.
[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Many times I even advise our potential customers to get a Baili razor instead, after we have spoken to them and get to understand their experience level, head profile preference and budget.[/font]

There you go mate.

Tristan

Haven’t used the baili, but have used the chieftain. It’s a fine razor, but I do believe there are better razors in that price range. I will say as well that it’s quite suspicious that someone would come on here, join and post only one thing just to slander another company. Idk what your overhead looks like, but if your razors were offered at more competitive prices, I think they’d be a great value. Good luck!

If the claim is that these two companies sell completely different razors, then doesn't the discussion become: why are they (at least) 70% the same? Which ever came second is close to ripping off the majority of the design elements.

(To be clear, I'm playing devil's advocate here since I don't believe the premise that these razors are meaningfully different.)

If the claim is that these two companies sell completely different razors, then doesn't the discussion become: why are they (at least) 70% the same? Which ever came second is close to ripping off the majority of the design elements.

(To be clear, I'm playing devil's advocate here since I don't believe the premise that these razors are meaningfully different.)

I would say, noone really rips anyone off. The shave and feel of a razor is defined significantly by the razor head and the weight distribution (more head heavy vs more handle heavy vs balanced at the centre). The handle pattern plays a very minor role in defining the shave compared to the head design and the weight distribution.

In this case, the Baili BD179 is an excellent mild razor whose weight is distributed towards the bottom of the handle, which makes a lot of sense because many users of mild razors (including those who use Merkur 34c) may tend to apply extra pressure on their skin/

The Chieftain is more aggressive than the BD179 and is a great neutral/semi-aggressive razor. The weight is distributed almost towards the head. This emphasises the principle of "letting the weight of the razor head do all the work" on aggressive razors. Therefore users do not ever need to accidentally press a safety razor on their skin.

In terms of handles we are all inspired by the old Gillette safety razor decades ago and not just us or Baili, many others have learnt from Gillette as well.

If calling similar handle appearances / handle patterns as copying or ripping off without considering the head & weight, may I present you the following razors from much bigger companies: