BST Flipping

Okay...this is going downhill quick. I really hate to see what I consider to be friends arguing amongst each other. Maybe you guys are aware of each other's relationship, maybe not. I suggest we cool off, this was brought on by some guy who bought a $90 handle and flipped it for about 3X the amount.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but the original retail on that CG handle was nowhere near $300.
Most of Brian's handles retailed for under $100 at the time, maybe a bit more for a limited edition.

I haven't interacted with John on here (The guy that reviewed James' Rocnel), but he's also friends with Cory (The Chief) here, so us guys are actually mutual friends..lol small world.

I don’t know John. I just sent him an unsolited PM offering a Sailor for his review. I thot it might be good content for his channel.

We chatted for a week or two and have had no contact since. He is not my shave friend, just a guy. I watched one of his videos about a brush. Seemed like an honest, to the point guy to me. So I reached out.

I have sent a lot of my gear out to complete strangers, no questions asked. Just treat my gear like it's yours. Heck, I paying outgoing shipping. Not bragging, just expounding on the basis of my relationship with John. I just try to be a decent human being. Sharing hard to get gear with people who may not ever be able to obtain it in the spirit of community, friendship, and fun. It sucks when it gets exploited and the same community...and the to make it worse, it gets further spread right back in the same pool. No rules broken tho. Freedom, right?

I won't make assumptions about John based on his association with whoever Chief is.

I do get the point of your post. I also appreciate the input.

Friends should never take advantage of another. Whether they are once, or twice removed friends. Its just low rent. Low class. Indecent.

Carry on. I will ride the bench a while and continue to appreciate the conversation.

Business transactions by definition are "arms length," impersonal, and prescribed by rules so that sales are straightforward, predictable, and uniform. Community norms and standards are not so clearly defined; they are learned and experienced, and are consequently subjective and easier to violate.

DFS is a community that existed long before I got here, and had already developed social/community norms that include polite intelligent and sincere discussion, an ethos of sharing and generosity, and a welcoming helpful atmosphere. I choose to visit and participate specifically because of the gentlemanly norms shared and practiced. If I sell an expensive item to a friend or family member at a significant discount, he is perfectly within his rights to turn around and sell it for its true worth. It would be equally reasonable for me to consider that a betrayal of trust, and I would be justified in not extending generosity to that person in the future.

Business transactions by definition are "arms length," impersonal, and prescribed by rules so that sales are straightforward, predictable, and uniform. Community norms and standards are not so clearly defined; they are learned and experienced, and are consequently subjective and easier to violate.

DFS is a community that existed long before I got here, and had already developed social/community norms that include polite intelligent and sincere discussion, an ethos of sharing and generosity, and a welcoming helpful atmosphere. I choose to visit and participate specifically because of the gentlemanly norms shared and practiced. If I sell an expensive item to a friend or family member at a significant discount, he is perfectly within his rights to turn around and sell it for its true worth. It would be equally reasonable for me to consider that a betrayal of trust, and I would be justified in not extending generosity to that person in the future.

This is by far, the most logical post in this entire thread.

Business transactions by definition are "arms length," impersonal, and prescribed by rules so that sales are straightforward, predictable, and uniform. Community norms and standards are not so clearly defined; they are learned and experienced, and are consequently subjective and easier to violate.

DFS is a community that existed long before I got here, and had already developed social/community norms that include polite intelligent and sincere discussion, an ethos of sharing and generosity, and a welcoming helpful atmosphere. I choose to visit and participate specifically because of the gentlemanly norms shared and practiced. If I sell an expensive item to a friend or family member at a significant discount, he is perfectly within his rights to turn around and sell it for its true worth. It would be equally reasonable for me to consider that a betrayal of trust, and I would be justified in not extending generosity to that person in the future.

All well and good. Problem I am now having is Andrew's post I quoted above clearly stating that flipping not only isn't a violation of rules (fine) it isn't either a violation of his view of community standards which to me rings like a mod sanction of said behavior (not fine). Hard to read it otherwise.

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Business transactions by definition are "arms length," impersonal, and prescribed by rules so that sales are straightforward, predictable, and uniform. Community norms and standards are not so clearly defined; they are learned and experienced, and are consequently subjective and easier to violate.

DFS is a community that existed long before I got here, and had already developed social/community norms that include polite intelligent and sincere discussion, an ethos of sharing and generosity, and a welcoming helpful atmosphere. I choose to visit and participate specifically because of the gentlemanly norms shared and practiced. If I sell an expensive item to a friend or family member at a significant discount, he is perfectly within his rights to turn around and sell it for its true worth. It would be equally reasonable for me to consider that a betrayal of trust, and I would be justified in not extending generosity to that person in the future.

All well and good. Problem I am now having is Andrew's post I quoted above clearly stating that flipping not only isn't a violation of rules (fine) it isn't either a violation of his view of community standards which to me rings like a mod sanction of said behavior (not fine). Hard to read it otherwise.

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Dang. Guess we have to add him to the “do not deal” list!!!

Business transactions by definition are "arms length," impersonal, and prescribed by rules so that sales are straightforward, predictable, and uniform. Community norms and standards are not so clearly defined; they are learned and experienced, and are consequently subjective and easier to violate.

DFS is a community that existed long before I got here, and had already developed social/community norms that include polite intelligent and sincere discussion, an ethos of sharing and generosity, and a welcoming helpful atmosphere. I choose to visit and participate specifically because of the gentlemanly norms shared and practiced. If I sell an expensive item to a friend or family member at a significant discount, he is perfectly within his rights to turn around and sell it for its true worth. It would be equally reasonable for me to consider that a betrayal of trust, and I would be justified in not extending generosity to that person in the future.

All well and good. Problem I am now having is Andrew's post I quoted above clearly stating that flipping not only isn't a violation of rules (fine) it isn't either a violation of his view of community standards which to me rings like a mod sanction of said behavior (not fine). Hard to read it otherwise.

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Dang. Guess we have to add him to the “do not deal” list!!!

Thanks, I really appreciate your continuing commentary.

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Gentlemen, I have once again closed the thread.  Frankly, it’s going in circles and the snide remarks on both sides of the argument are not getting us anywhere.  No one is changing anyone else’s mind and I believe what needs to be said on the subject has been stated.  It really is time to move on as there is so much more to discuss and to bring helpful comments to all of us.

I know Freddy closed the thread before I could reply (my fellow 2nd shift people will know the feeling) but some of the comments were frankly absurd.

I'll write a more lengthy reply when I'm in front of my PC shortly...

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I decided not to bother elaborating with a further reply. the thread has ran its course and it's not worth my time typing up a lengthy reply. I fully support Freddy locking the thread again.

happy trading/selling/buying!