2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

So I've been using my 2022 Rocnel Sailor for a bit now. I like it a lot, takes some getting used to with the heft and angle, but it is great. Feels so odd grabbing my Paradigm 17-4 as that used to feel amazing, now it feels cheap since it is so light hahah!

I'm having an issue though. As I mentioned earlier, I thought the "Rocnel" and "Sailor" were supposed to align, as that was how it was sent to me. But, with everyone's help here, I learned that adjustment nob should be at "zero" when a blade is inserted, so it was just sent to me wrong as I was getting it dead on "zero" when I had the blade in and the labels facing opposite ways.

Now for the problem! I've noticed for the last few weeks that the adjustment dial would get further and further from zero when fully tightened with a blade. As of now, it is almost perfectly on 1 when I fully tighten it. I tried switching the labels so they were aligned, but that obviously through it super out of whack. What can I do? I've tried using a little bit of strength and it just won't go closer to "zero." Even without a blade, I think it would be almost 1 full number backwards, so V, but now its basically at 0!

I've pressed down on the springs and those seem to be compressing properly, I've checked that the plate really does look like it is fully down. It just seems odd that it would be perfect and now slowly shift away from that! Thanks so much!

Reach out to Murat on Instagram. See what he has to say. Point out your head appears to have been assembled backwards. The two might be intertwined. I doubt it because what you describe is "drift" in your settings. That seems kinda odd.

Are you playing with a bunch of different blades? Varying thickness may account for some of it. How does it align with a Feather? I think they are tuned to Feather.

I don't think my head was assembled backwards? When it arrived, the rocnel and sailor were facing the same direction, but from reading here and posting about it, I was advised to insert a blade with them aligned and then with them facing opposite ways, whichever lined up with "zero" would be the correct way. Opposite ways was spot on zero. This is how everyone's Rocnel, other than those that requested it be made so they face the same way, operate to my knowledge.

99% of the time I use Astras. After a couple of weeks I used Gillettes for about a week and then went back to Astras. The Astras were the ones perfectly aligned at zero, but I'll try other blades and see if maybe it is just odd blade tolerance. But to be at 1 or even in the middle of zero and 1... that'd be a pretty big blade lol.

Have you checked to see if the head has loosened?

Like pulling on it when it is fully tightened or how?

Referencing the head attached to the handle, not the cap - I wouldn't put too much force on it, but does it wiggle or feel loose?  One earlier problem with the RS was the use of resins to attach the head, and it loosened up with organic solvents (like alcohol). My understanding from Murat is that the new Sailors are assembled both with resin and swaging (tightly fitting compression joints), so unlikely to loosen, but you never know.

Thank you for clarifying! No, sir, solid as a tank. No flex anywhere. Even with the blade fully tightened, I can't see anywhere that is "raised" to my eye that could be where it is stuck and not allowing it to fully tighten to zero. I just don't understand how the calibration could change like this... so odd. I've tried messaging Murat before but I've always gotten weird responses due to the language barrier that make almost no sense to me. I did order it from Phil at Bullgoose, should I email him or would he just say pound sand and talk to Murat?

So I've been using my 2022 Rocnel Sailor for a bit now. I like it a lot, takes some getting used to with the heft and angle, but it is great. Feels so odd grabbing my Paradigm 17-4 as that used to feel amazing, now it feels cheap since it is so light hahah!

I'm having an issue though. As I mentioned earlier, I thought the "Rocnel" and "Sailor" were supposed to align, as that was how it was sent to me. But, with everyone's help here, I learned that adjustment nob should be at "zero" when a blade is inserted, so it was just sent to me wrong as I was getting it dead on "zero" when I had the blade in and the labels facing opposite ways.

Now for the problem! I've noticed for the last few weeks that the adjustment dial would get further and further from zero when fully tightened with a blade. As of now, it is almost perfectly on 1 when I fully tighten it. I tried switching the labels so they were aligned, but that obviously through it super out of whack. What can I do? I've tried using a little bit of strength and it just won't go closer to "zero." Even without a blade, I think it would be almost 1 full number backwards, so V, but now its basically at 0!

I've pressed down on the springs and those seem to be compressing properly, I've checked that the plate really does look like it is fully down. It just seems odd that it would be perfect and now slowly shift away from that! Thanks so much!

Reach out to Murat on Instagram. See what he has to say. Point out your head appears to have been assembled backwards. The two might be intertwined. I doubt it because what you describe is "drift" in your settings. That seems kinda odd.

Are you playing with a bunch of different blades? Varying thickness may account for some of it. How does it align with a Feather? I think they are tuned to Feather.

I don't think my head was assembled backwards? When it arrived, the rocnel and sailor were facing the same direction, but from reading here and posting about it, I was advised to insert a blade with them aligned and then with them facing opposite ways, whichever lined up with "zero" would be the correct way. Opposite ways was spot on zero. This is how everyone's Rocnel, other than those that requested it be made so they face the same way, operate to my knowledge.

99% of the time I use Astras. After a couple of weeks I used Gillettes for about a week and then went back to Astras. The Astras were the ones perfectly aligned at zero, but I'll try other blades and see if maybe it is just odd blade tolerance. But to be at 1 or even in the middle of zero and 1... that'd be a pretty big blade lol.

Ah, I forgot you solved the backwards part and it wasn't really backwards.

I understand the language barrier thing with Murat. Sometimes I just nod my head and pretend we are on the same page.

So I've been using my 2022 Rocnel Sailor for a bit now. I like it a lot, takes some getting used to with the heft and angle, but it is great. Feels so odd grabbing my Paradigm 17-4 as that used to feel amazing, now it feels cheap since it is so light hahah!

I'm having an issue though. As I mentioned earlier, I thought the "Rocnel" and "Sailor" were supposed to align, as that was how it was sent to me. But, with everyone's help here, I learned that adjustment nob should be at "zero" when a blade is inserted, so it was just sent to me wrong as I was getting it dead on "zero" when I had the blade in and the labels facing opposite ways.

Now for the problem! I've noticed for the last few weeks that the adjustment dial would get further and further from zero when fully tightened with a blade. As of now, it is almost perfectly on 1 when I fully tighten it. I tried switching the labels so they were aligned, but that obviously through it super out of whack. What can I do? I've tried using a little bit of strength and it just won't go closer to "zero." Even without a blade, I think it would be almost 1 full number backwards, so V, but now its basically at 0!

I've pressed down on the springs and those seem to be compressing properly, I've checked that the plate really does look like it is fully down. It just seems odd that it would be perfect and now slowly shift away from that! Thanks so much!

Reach out to Murat on Instagram.  See what he has to say.  Point out your head appears to have been assembled backwards.  The two might be intertwined.  I doubt it because what you describe is "drift" in your settings.  That seems kinda odd.

Are you playing with a bunch of different blades?  Varying thickness may account for some of it.  How does it align with a Feather?  I think they are tuned to Feather.

I don't think my head was assembled backwards? When it arrived, the rocnel and sailor were facing the same direction, but from reading here and posting about it, I was advised to insert a blade with them aligned and then with them facing opposite ways, whichever lined up with "zero" would be the correct way. Opposite ways was spot on zero. This is how everyone's Rocnel, other than those that requested it be made so they face the same way, operate to my knowledge.

99% of the time I use Astras. After a couple of weeks I used Gillettes for about a week and then went back to Astras. The Astras were the ones perfectly aligned at zero, but I'll try other blades and see if maybe it is just odd blade tolerance. But to be at 1 or even in the middle of zero and 1... that'd be a pretty big blade lol.

You've probably checked, but no burrs or raised areas on cap or baseplate?  No wax or soap debris?  The two captured springs and mid-plate moving up and down easily? I'm suspecting that something small could make a bigger difference on the dial.  Maybe a thorough wipedown (NOT soak!) with a moist alcohol pad, followed with a spray lubricant wipe (I actually use Remington Shaver Saver on the internals and blow dry since I can't reach them). That seems to keep the mechanism turning smoothly.

Reach out to Murat on Instagram.  See what he has to say.  Point out your head appears to have been assembled backwards.  The two might be intertwined.  I doubt it because what you describe is "drift" in your settings.  That seems kinda odd.

Are you playing with a bunch of different blades?  Varying thickness may account for some of it.  How does it align with a Feather?  I think they are tuned to Feather.

I don't think my head was assembled backwards? When it arrived, the rocnel and sailor were facing the same direction, but from reading here and posting about it, I was advised to insert a blade with them aligned and then with them facing opposite ways, whichever lined up with "zero" would be the correct way. Opposite ways was spot on zero. This is how everyone's Rocnel, other than those that requested it be made so they face the same way, operate to my knowledge.

99% of the time I use Astras. After a couple of weeks I used Gillettes for about a week and then went back to Astras. The Astras were the ones perfectly aligned at zero, but I'll try other blades and see if maybe it is just odd blade tolerance. But to be at 1 or even in the middle of zero and 1... that'd be a pretty big blade lol.

You've probably checked, but no burrs or raised areas on cap or baseplate?  No wax or soap debris?  The two captured springs and mid-plate moving up and down easily? I'm suspecting that something small could make a bigger difference on the dial.  Maybe a thorough wipedown (NOT soak!) with a moist alcohol pad, followed with a spray lubricant wipe (I actually use Remington Shaver Saver on the internals and blow dry since I can't reach them). That seems to keep the mechanism turning smoothly.

Looks fine to my eye! Can I soak it in dawn dish soap to see if there’s anything stuck inside? Or maybe my ultrasonic cleaner? Does clippers blade oil work to just drip onto the springs?

I don't think my head was assembled backwards? When it arrived, the rocnel and sailor were facing the same direction, but from reading here and posting about it, I was advised to insert a blade with them aligned and then with them facing opposite ways, whichever lined up with "zero" would be the correct way. Opposite ways was spot on zero. This is how everyone's Rocnel, other than those that requested it be made so they face the same way, operate to my knowledge.

99% of the time I use Astras. After a couple of weeks I used Gillettes for about a week and then went back to Astras. The Astras were the ones perfectly aligned at zero, but I'll try other blades and see if maybe it is just odd blade tolerance. But to be at 1 or even in the middle of zero and 1... that'd be a pretty big blade lol.

You've probably checked, but no burrs or raised areas on cap or baseplate?  No wax or soap debris?  The two captured springs and mid-plate moving up and down easily? I'm suspecting that something small could make a bigger difference on the dial.  Maybe a thorough wipedown (NOT soak!) with a moist alcohol pad, followed with a spray lubricant wipe (I actually use Remington Shaver Saver on the internals and blow dry since I can't reach them). That seems to keep the mechanism turning smoothly.

Looks fine to my eye! Can I soak it in dawn dish soap to see if there’s anything stuck inside? Or maybe my ultrasonic cleaner? Does clippers blade oil work to just drip onto the springs?

Shouldn't hurt anything to use warm water and dish soap to soak - that's basically what you shave with. Definitely NO ultrasonic cleaner with anything that has assembled parts, unless you eventually want to disassemble them.  And I wouldn't use a heavy oil of any kind that might gum up the innards - I usually use light food grade mineral oil on other razors' moving parts, but considering this razor has mysterious and unknown innards, I'd use just a light lubricant like Teflon or silicone spray (after the razor is thoroughly dry), or something like the Shaver Saver - and sparingly, remembering there's still a resin seal in at least the head/handle joint.

had the same problem: remove cap, align the dot with the protruding knob. Place cap with a blade as should be (when name Rocnel is facing you the knob should be on the backside), everything should align now.

had the same problem: remove cap, align the dot with the protruding knob. Place cap with a blade as should be (when name Rocnel is facing you the knob should be on the backside), everything should align now.

I tried what you said....but even if I don't align dot with the pin before tightening up, everything aligns perfectly.
Both work for me.
This is why he needs to enclose a set of basic instructions with every razor.

had the same problem: remove cap, align the dot with the protruding knob. Place cap with a blade as should be (when name Rocnel is facing you the knob should be on the backside), everything should align now.

I tried what you said....but even if I don't align dot with the pin before tightening up, everything aligns perfectly.
Both work for me.
This is why he needs to enclose a set of basic instructions with every razor.

Same for me.  One of my Rocnels is dead on, the other just a millimeter or so off the dot at zero with a blade.  The above technique didn't change anything but it does highlight we need a user manual!   I'm sure there is some way to calibrate these razors....

I've tried all the techniques mentioned in this thread to align my razor -- and tried them all at least a few times. But none has worked.  I do wish there was some clarity from Murat on how to do so.